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101FlyingDutchman
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Those rads still look really big in comparison some of the others. Is that because it’s a standard rad?

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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 10:06
Those rads still look really big in comparison some of the others. Is that because it’s a standard rad?
They look bigger because Mclaren use air to air intercoolers instead of water to air.
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djos wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 10:39
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 10:06
Those rads still look really big in comparison some of the others. Is that because it’s a standard rad?
They look bigger because Mclaren use air to air intercoolers instead of water to air.
Must be a reason for it. Guess it’s lighter but just more bulky?

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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 11:15
djos wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 10:39
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 10:06
Those rads still look really big in comparison some of the others. Is that because it’s a standard rad?
They look bigger because Mclaren use air to air intercoolers instead of water to air.
Must be a reason for it. Guess it’s lighter but just more bulky?
That would be my guess too.
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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 11:15
djos wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 10:39
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 10:06
Those rads still look really big in comparison some of the others. Is that because it’s a standard rad?
They look bigger because Mclaren use air to air intercoolers instead of water to air.
Must be a reason for it. Guess it’s lighter but just more bulky?
Would it work out lighter? There is not the weight of fluid, but the extra material used for 'size' must add to it, also the extra room needed has to be covered etc?
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Big Tea wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 13:14

Would it work out lighter? There is not the weight of fluid, but the extra material used for 'size' must add to it, also the extra room needed has to be covered etc?
Easily offset by not needing another intercooler/rad for the cooling fluid.

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PhillipM wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 14:03
Big Tea wrote:
19 Mar 2022, 13:14

Would it work out lighter? There is not the weight of fluid, but the extra material used for 'size' must add to it, also the extra room needed has to be covered etc?
Easily offset by not needing another intercooler/rad for the cooling fluid.
True, but I think overall a shorter intake tract might be worth some engine performance and responsiveness which may offset the weight increase.

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You also do not need a header tank -limited by a mandatory relief valve. And there is no power take off the engine for a pump . I did not know this air to air was used by Mclaren thanks for sharing that.
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Would it be against the rules to put hot air into the floor to increase the low pressure underneath the car?
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Quick question, onboard with Ricciardo, the car looked to be really struggling with understeer. Is this the result of the compromised brake setup, where the fronts are not at the right operating temperatures - was the original front brake design aimed at generating heat into the front tyres and keeping them in the right window.

Another area of concern is the decision to use a front pull rod - the concerns previously were that it resulted in more understeer than push rod and is this also a result of that design choice.

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Vasco wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 12:44
Quick question, onboard with Ricciardo, the car looked to be really struggling with understeer. Is this the result of the compromised brake setup, where the fronts are not at the right operating temperatures - was the original front brake design aimed at generating heat into the front tyres and keeping them in the right window.

Another area of concern is the decision to use a front pull rod - the concerns previously were that it resulted in more understeer than push rod and is this also a result of that design choice.
RedBull has pull rod on the front and push rod on the back, so that's not the issue. How much the braking issue has affected them, I cannot say, but understeer was particularly bad on this circuit even on Lando's car.

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Just curious to know how difficult would it be for McLaren to change concept at this point in the season? for example if they wanted to go for an undercut in the sidepods, could that be something they could realistically change or to many fundamental components that would need to be move like radiator layout etc. Think there is at least some scope for changing the way sidepods would aid airflow to the rear of the car if that isn't working as intended and not creating the high pressure airflow they want at the moment.

For the record I do believe they are somewhat compromised by there brake setup atm, so they have some time in hand there for sure. But as the team said that could be the 3rd-4th race in before they get on top of those issue's clearly not easy manufacturing the part's they need for the brakes or they have decided to adopt a new philosophy from another team there.
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not that easy in my opinion, they used the wide sidepod layout, the space they gained, to package all their electronics, so everything needs to be re-packaged

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mwillems wrote:
20 Mar 2022, 11:32
Would it be against the rules to put hot air into the floor to increase the low pressure underneath the car?
It could not enter by a hole. I believe the floor most be solid, and only fed air on the edges.

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