Alpine A522

A place to discuss the characteristics of the cars in Formula One, both current as well as historical. Laptimes, driver worshipping and team chatter do not belong here.
Post Reply
User avatar
diffuser
207
Joined: 07 Sep 2012, 13:55
Location: Montreal

Re: Alpine A522

Post

Redragon wrote:
09 May 2022, 17:16
diffuser wrote:
07 May 2022, 19:47
More cooling for Miami. Ocon's car before he hit the wall.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSJj3bHWYAA ... name=large
Alonso was running different cooling on race, he had the full grills around engine and top of sidepods

https://www.grandprix247.com/wp-content ... ami-f1.jpg


Also Ocon had the grill around the engine on race but only half of them + the ones on top of the sidepods as on your pictures. Similar set up as when he crashed https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... car--1.jpg
The Ocon picture is from FP3 which would have been a little cooler that Quali. They changed thier cooling for almost every FP in Miami. Alonso was running the same Cooling in the race as he did for Quali. Don't even know if that's something they can't change in Parc Ferme. Would be surprised that they could.

Mansell89
12
Joined: 22 Feb 2015, 19:21

Re: Alpine A522

Post

Any word on what Pat Fry and the team are choosing as their development direction?

I know he said he was deliberately taking a centred approach so as not to go too far down a dead end and then follow what worked for others, but it’s been a little quiet to be honest.

I was so excited for this team and am disappointed they haven’t hit the ground running near the front, but let’s see how they evolve

User avatar
diffuser
207
Joined: 07 Sep 2012, 13:55
Location: Montreal

Re: Alpine A522

Post

Mansell89 wrote:
09 May 2022, 22:39
Any word on what Pat Fry and the team are choosing as their development direction?

I know he said he was deliberately taking a centred approach so as not to go too far down a dead end and then follow what worked for others, but it’s been a little quiet to be honest.

I was so excited for this team and am disappointed they haven’t hit the ground running near the front, but let’s see how they evolve
I doudt we'll get a heads up on any changes for Spain. We had a new rear wing for Miami and nobody knew until we saw it.

Spoutnik
6
Joined: 03 Feb 2015, 19:02

Re: Alpine A522

Post


'Tis me, just me.
1
Joined: 12 Jun 2018, 18:28

Re: Alpine A522

Post

Would it be reasonable to say the current Alpine sidepod layout (at least the rear end) sort of utilises the coanda effect similarly to the sidepods/exhausts in the last iterations of the V8 cars in 2012/2013?

User avatar
diffuser
207
Joined: 07 Sep 2012, 13:55
Location: Montreal

Re: Alpine A522

Post

'Tis me, just me. wrote:
12 May 2022, 20:42
Would it be reasonable to say the current Alpine sidepod layout (at least the rear end) sort of utilises the coanda effect similarly to the sidepods/exhausts in the last iterations of the V8 cars in 2012/2013?
Yes but why? The air will accelerate through the tighter space resulting a drop in pressure. Not sure how it helps. Maybe in pulls more down from the layer above?

User avatar
diffuser
207
Joined: 07 Sep 2012, 13:55
Location: Montreal

Re: Alpine A522

Post

diffuser wrote:
11 May 2022, 15:25
Mansell89 wrote:
09 May 2022, 22:39
Any word on what Pat Fry and the team are choosing as their development direction?

I know he said he was deliberately taking a centred approach so as not to go too far down a dead end and then follow what worked for others, but it’s been a little quiet to be honest.

I was so excited for this team and am disappointed they haven’t hit the ground running near the front, but let’s see how they evolve
I doudt we'll get a heads up on any changes for Spain. We had a new rear wing for Miami and nobody knew until we saw it.

OK I stand corrected ...

https://formula1news.co.uk/alpine-upgra ... lverstone/
“There are pieces for Spain, which is the sixth race. There will be pieces two races later [in Azerbaijan], and in the tenth [at the British Grand Prix].

“It will be a constant flow of evolutions.”


https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... iami-2022/
Deeper and softer
The car is one of the most forgiving in the field. The Alpine also works with a higher ground clearance. Bouncing is not such a big issue as it is at Mercedes, for example. "We drive a bit higher and harder than we would like. We drive well in the high-speed corners, but the stiffness costs us in slow corners. Our goal is to reduce the ground clearance and make the chassis softer," says Alpine- Team boss Otmar Szafnauer.

User avatar
PlatinumZealot
550
Joined: 12 Jun 2008, 03:45

Re: Alpine A522

Post

Interesting.
They are doing one of two things to stop porpoising here.. Bleeding the floor after the first diffuser kick, or letting in air/vortices.. It's any ones guess at this point.
🖐️✌️☝️👀👌✍️🐎🏆🙏

User avatar
diffuser
207
Joined: 07 Sep 2012, 13:55
Location: Montreal

Re: Alpine A522

Post

PlatinumZealot wrote:
13 May 2022, 20:11
Interesting.
They are doing one of two things to stop porpoising here.. Bleeding the floor after the first diffuser kick, or letting in air/vortices.. It's any ones guess at this point.
I guess you don't like Otmar's explanation of a higher ride hieght and too hard suspension.

'Tis me, just me.
1
Joined: 12 Jun 2018, 18:28

Re: Alpine A522

Post

diffuser wrote:
13 May 2022, 03:55
'Tis me, just me. wrote:
12 May 2022, 20:42
Would it be reasonable to say the current Alpine sidepod layout (at least the rear end) sort of utilises the coanda effect similarly to the sidepods/exhausts in the last iterations of the V8 cars in 2012/2013?
Yes but why? The air will accelerate through the tighter space resulting a drop in pressure. Not sure how it helps. Maybe in pulls more down from the layer above?
For me the goal here would seem to be to increase the efficiency of the diffuser by reducing the air pressure around the beam wing area.

User avatar
diffuser
207
Joined: 07 Sep 2012, 13:55
Location: Montreal

Re: Alpine A522

Post

'Tis me, just me. wrote:
14 May 2022, 18:04
diffuser wrote:
13 May 2022, 03:55
'Tis me, just me. wrote:
12 May 2022, 20:42
Would it be reasonable to say the current Alpine sidepod layout (at least the rear end) sort of utilises the coanda effect similarly to the sidepods/exhausts in the last iterations of the V8 cars in 2012/2013?
Yes but why? The air will accelerate through the tighter space resulting a drop in pressure. Not sure how it helps. Maybe in pulls more down from the layer above?
For me the goal here would seem to be to increase the efficiency of the diffuser by reducing the air pressure around the beam wing area.
Maybe, I just don't understand it. Remember that accelerating air drops pressure and creates lift. Now I know they don't want lift. So maybe the way they're accelerating the air doesn't create lift? Secondary effects?

My guess is the accelerated air create a drop in pressure that pull more in from the space between the sidepod and the tire. I am no expert.

User avatar
Redragon
19
Joined: 24 May 2011, 12:23

Re: Alpine A522

Post

New rear wing confirmed for Spain and some weight reduction

User avatar
AeroDynamic
349
Joined: 28 Sep 2021, 12:25
Location: La règle du jeu

Re: Alpine A522

Post

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

AR3-GP
313
Joined: 06 Jul 2021, 01:22

Re: Alpine A522

Post

The big 3 teams have a simpler DRS mechanism. Why does the Alpine one have such large blockage and the second linkage?

User avatar
diffuser
207
Joined: 07 Sep 2012, 13:55
Location: Montreal

Re: Alpine A522

Post

AR3-GP wrote:
19 May 2022, 16:10
The big 3 teams have a simpler DRS mechanism. Why does the Alpine one have such large blockage and the second linkage?
Really ? looks similliar to me.

Image
Image
Image
Image
Image

Post Reply