2022 Spanish Grand Prix - Catalunya, May 20 - 22

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JPBD1990 wrote:
20 May 2022, 14:47
I know it’s FP1 and all the usual caveats apply (before people feel it necessary to point that out and ridiculing me for having an opinion)… I also note that Ferrari are currently 1-2 in the timings.

For me, I sense redbull are faster this weekend. Max obliterated the Ferrari’s on the hards, and got severely hampered on his soft run due to traffic.
So you seem to acknowledge that basing any conclusions on FP1 is silly, yet you're doing it anyways, and telling us we're not allowed to bring up to you how basing conclusions on FP1 is silly. lol

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Seanspeed wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:25
JPBD1990 wrote:
20 May 2022, 14:47
I know it’s FP1 and all the usual caveats apply (before people feel it necessary to point that out and ridiculing me for having an opinion)… I also note that Ferrari are currently 1-2 in the timings.

For me, I sense redbull are faster this weekend. Max obliterated the Ferrari’s on the hards, and got severely hampered on his soft run due to traffic.
So you seem to acknowledge that basing any conclusions on FP1 is silly, yet you're doing it anyways, and telling us we're not allowed to bring up to you how basing conclusions on FP1 is silly. lol
Just a gut feeling. It was right in Australia, Imola and Miami. Let’s see! I’m a Ferrari fan so I’m hoping more than most I’m wrong. But yes, that is my gut feeling right now.

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Sieper wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:16
Sevach wrote:
20 May 2022, 14:31
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTM42hoX0AA ... name=large

Nicely played.
Can you explain a bit further? I see a picture of the pitwall?
It's a joke with Green Red Bull cans.

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yeah, spotted it now, thanks! Imho in good fun.

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JPBD1990 wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:28
Seanspeed wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:25
JPBD1990 wrote:
20 May 2022, 14:47
I know it’s FP1 and all the usual caveats apply (before people feel it necessary to point that out and ridiculing me for having an opinion)… I also note that Ferrari are currently 1-2 in the timings.

For me, I sense redbull are faster this weekend. Max obliterated the Ferrari’s on the hards, and got severely hampered on his soft run due to traffic.
So you seem to acknowledge that basing any conclusions on FP1 is silly, yet you're doing it anyways, and telling us we're not allowed to bring up to you how basing conclusions on FP1 is silly. lol
Just a gut feeling. It was right in Australia, Imola and Miami. Let’s see! I’m a Ferrari fan so I’m hoping more than most I’m wrong. But yes, that is my gut feeling right now.
You didn’t need a gut feeling to see which cars would have an advantage at those tracks. Your post almost reads as concern trolling.

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Sevach wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:30
Sieper wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:16
Sevach wrote:
20 May 2022, 14:31
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTM42hoX0AA ... name=large

Nicely played.
Can you explain a bit further? I see a picture of the pitwall?
It's a joke with Green Red Bull cans.
How did they get those cans made in such short time?

They must have been spying on AM and have been already aware of the updates they were bringing..... FIA better look into this.

Edit: I guess I should have added the /s
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* Ferrari highest top speed, that new DRS wing helps, despite probably the highest downforce of the group again, Campsa in that Ferrari is way faster 4-7kph, but then Leclerc doesn't push the acceleration much further after it so everyone else catches up on speed.
* Verstappen certainly took a very different path in S3, probably had traffic or somesuch, I would say there's more in the lap for him
* There's also a bit more in S3 from Russell, the acceleration to finish line could be better
* Merc is close

Lots of setup work that needs to happen for quali.

race sim Ferrari looks better on tyre deg, at least on softs, Merc isn't half bad:
LEC
LAP 20 SOFT/9 Stint 5: 1:25.360
LAP 21 SOFT/10 Stint 5: 1:25.559
LAP 22 SOFT/11 Stint 5: 1:25.602
LAP 23 SOFT/12 Stint 5: 1:26.139
LAP 24 SOFT/13 Stint 5: 1:27.420
LAP 25 SOFT/14 Stint 5: 1:25.694
LAP 26 SOFT/15 Stint 5: 2:5.565

SAI
LAP 20 SOFT/10 Stint 4: 1:25.053
LAP 21 SOFT/11 Stint 4: 1:25.387
LAP 22 SOFT/12 Stint 4: 1:29.391
LAP 23 SOFT/13 Stint 4: 1:25.874
LAP 24 SOFT/14 Stint 4: 1:25.698
LAP 25 SOFT/15 Stint 4: 1:26.171

VER
LAP 20 SOFT/9 Stint 5: 1:32.384
LAP 21 SOFT/10 Stint 5: 1:25.474
LAP 22 SOFT/11 Stint 5: 1:25.325
LAP 23 SOFT/12 Stint 5: 1:29.809
LAP 24 SOFT/13 Stint 5: 1:25.966
LAP 25 SOFT/14 Stint 5: 1:26.182
LAP 26 SOFT/15 Stint 5: 1:26.539

RUS
LAP 21 SOFT/10 Stint 6: 1:25.558
LAP 22 SOFT/11 Stint 6: 1:25.719
LAP 23 SOFT/12 Stint 6: 1:25.930
LAP 24 SOFT/13 Stint 6: 1:26.123
LAP 25 SOFT/14 Stint 6: 1:26.224
LAP 26 SOFT/15 Stint 6: 1:26.703

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TimW wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:39
Sevach wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:30
Sieper wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:16


Can you explain a bit further? I see a picture of the pitwall?
It's a joke with Green Red Bull cans.
How did they get those cans made in such short time?

They must have been spying on AM and have been already aware of the updates they were bringing..... FIA better look into this.
Green edition RedBull is not a new thing.

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TimW wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:39
Sevach wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:30
Sieper wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:16


Can you explain a bit further? I see a picture of the pitwall?
It's a joke with Green Red Bull cans.
How did they get those cans made in such short time?

They must have been spying on AM and have been already aware of the updates they were bringing..... FIA better look into this.
It is the Red Bull Summer Edition Cactus.

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Sevach wrote:
20 May 2022, 14:31
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTM42hoX0AA ... name=large

Nicely played.
Mercedes was happy about the Pink Mercedes, so why can't RedBull be happy about the green RedBull? :cry:
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dialtone wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:44
https://i.imgur.com/9QYD4yI.jpeg


* Ferrari highest top speed, that new DRS wing helps, despite probably the highest downforce of the group again, Campsa in that Ferrari is way faster 4-7kph, but then Leclerc doesn't push the acceleration much further after it so everyone else catches up on speed.
* Verstappen certainly took a very different path in S3, probably had traffic or somesuch, I would say there's more in the lap for him
* There's also a bit more in S3 from Russell, the acceleration to finish line could be better
* Merc is close
Top speed on main straight not meaningful for Mercedes. Their last corner exit speed is extremely poor compared to the other two.

The Mercedes braking mid-entry is also much worse in the big braking zones.

Mercedes not bad in most of the other turns.

If they can fix their balance under braking and their tyre preservation over a lap they should be maybe 3 tenths closer?
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dialtone wrote:
20 May 2022, 15:44
https://i.imgur.com/9QYD4yI.jpeg


* Ferrari highest top speed, that new DRS wing helps, despite probably the highest downforce of the group again, Campsa in that Ferrari is way faster 4-7kph, but then Leclerc doesn't push the acceleration much further after it so everyone else catches up on speed.
* Verstappen certainly took a very different path in S3, probably had traffic or somesuch, I would say there's more in the lap for him
* There's also a bit more in S3 from Russell, the acceleration to finish line could be better
* Merc is close

Lots of setup work that needs to happen for quali.

race sim Ferrari looks better on tyre deg, at least on softs, Merc isn't half bad:
LEC
LAP 20 SOFT/9 Stint 5: 1:25.360
LAP 21 SOFT/10 Stint 5: 1:25.559
LAP 22 SOFT/11 Stint 5: 1:25.602
LAP 23 SOFT/12 Stint 5: 1:26.139
LAP 24 SOFT/13 Stint 5: 1:27.420
LAP 25 SOFT/14 Stint 5: 1:25.694
LAP 26 SOFT/15 Stint 5: 2:5.565

SAI
LAP 20 SOFT/10 Stint 4: 1:25.053
LAP 21 SOFT/11 Stint 4: 1:25.387
LAP 22 SOFT/12 Stint 4: 1:29.391
LAP 23 SOFT/13 Stint 4: 1:25.874
LAP 24 SOFT/14 Stint 4: 1:25.698
LAP 25 SOFT/15 Stint 4: 1:26.171

VER
LAP 20 SOFT/9 Stint 5: 1:32.384
LAP 21 SOFT/10 Stint 5: 1:25.474
LAP 22 SOFT/11 Stint 5: 1:25.325
LAP 23 SOFT/12 Stint 5: 1:29.809
LAP 24 SOFT/13 Stint 5: 1:25.966
LAP 25 SOFT/14 Stint 5: 1:26.182
LAP 26 SOFT/15 Stint 5: 1:26.539

RUS
LAP 21 SOFT/10 Stint 6: 1:25.558
LAP 22 SOFT/11 Stint 6: 1:25.719
LAP 23 SOFT/12 Stint 6: 1:25.930
LAP 24 SOFT/13 Stint 6: 1:26.123
LAP 25 SOFT/14 Stint 6: 1:26.224
LAP 26 SOFT/15 Stint 6: 1:26.703
So you saw max in traffic on TV, then you interpret it from the graph. It's like stating the obvious.

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Actually didn't see max in traffic on tv, I was following LEC mostly, but what's your point? What should I have said?