Zynerji wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:00 pm
Shakeman wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:08 pm
Earlier in the day I started to write a post explaining why Teams compete in F1 and why open sourcing designs is a complete nonstarter. I stopped after a couple of words because I knew it would fall on deaf ears and would be a waste of time. I was not wrong in my conclusion.
Come on. Overwhelm us with your wisdom.
The real funny part is that I can easily have my mind changed, but suspending my personal experience and career as part of my critical thinking process is not something I'm willing to do.
PS F1 is already a De Facto open-source series. Team personnel changing teams and reverse engineering ALREADY SUPPLIES THIS DATA to each team.
Your argument is that the cost and black-art of that fact should be preserved. I propose that it is actually the root of all of F1s issues.
You lost me at "A team sharing data with 9 other teams STILL spends 200M, but receives 2B in data to improve next year's car. That means they can reduce the 200M down to 150M or even 100M."
I guess I have to beleive you that it's true. I find it hard to beleive that teams will not withhold data to win.
People are very predictable. If you reward them for 1 behaviour that's the behaviour you'll get. How do you reward teams more for winning and still keep them willing to share data. Knowledge is power and data. Guess you'd have to share data from the year previous to the last? For example in 2023 you'd share 2021's data?
Still don't know how you'd monitize that data. I would think that Wind tunnel data is only usefull for the item you have in the wind tunnel. Maybe CFD data would be more relevant but nobody is trying to go around a right angle corner at 150 KPH? So who would be interested?
I will confess that I'm not that knowledgable in the whole open source thing. All I see is linux, docker, kubernetes, terraform, ansible, etc that I don't think anybody makes money on directly. Those products get used to make money by repackaging it with something else or building on it with non open pieces. Like RED Hat support or "the cloud" in general. The cloud will use all those tools to automate building and tearing down resources in the cloud. Microsoft will package that stuff into thier own products that you pay for so you can uses that stuff to in you projects.
Although someone must have funded and is funding the development of those products.