Alpine A522

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I never noticed the floor ridge before. Could Alpine be using using the ridge as a replacement for the ice skate next season?

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AR3-GP wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:35 am
I never noticed the floor ridge before. Could Alpine be using using the ridge as a replacement for the ice skate next season?
I don't think so, they attatched that tongue that sticks out the side of the floor to the skate in that last update.

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Another water leak DNF, that's probably Alonso's 5th. I know Ocon has had a few...I can't believe that many would be PU related. Could it be some part of chassis that water is running from the PU to the rads?

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diffuser wrote:
Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:52 pm
Another water leak DNF, that's probably Alonso's 5th. I know Ocon has had a few...I can't believe that many would be PU related. Could it be some part of chassis that water is running from the PU to the rads?
"A major problem is the water pump, it has handicapped us recurrently [...] the somewhat innovative design is probably not adapted, so we will change & go to something a little more classic & robust"
"They've made quite a bit of gain in aero. What we'll lose a little bit in compactness here, we'll pick up very easily in aero & we should correct a huge part of the flaws." Rossi

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And usually they sit low on the right side of the engine.
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But how could the water pump impact aero? I guess if it's too big it can increase the width of the PU at the bottom and widen the 'boat' shape and make the underbody tunnels smaller... but those pumps are usually small... they sit in the shadow of the lower PU/tub mounting points.

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So maybe Rossi is talking about the overall size of the full water pump assembly / water circuit, with the piping, the ancillaries etc (& the radiators?)...

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Blackout wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:49 pm
And usually they sit low on the right side of the engine.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiEkzAEXwAE ... name=large

But how could the water pump impact aero? I guess if it's too big it can increase the width of the PU at the bottom and widen the 'boat' shape and make the underbody tunnels smaller... but those pumps are usually small... they sit in the shadow of the lower PU/tub mounting points.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiEp3ShWQAA ... me=900x900
So maybe Rossi is talking about the overall size of the full water pump assembly / water circuit, with the piping, the ancillaries etc (& the radiators?)...
We learned from the Saudi gp that the water pump was inside the block. The DNF there was the pump had dislodged in the PU, on it's first race.

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nice perspective of how steep the sidepod is (from Abu Dhabi test)

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And they can be even steeper, with 'horizontal' exhaust manifolds, like MP4-26 :mrgreen:
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diffuser wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:30 pm
We learned from the Saudi gp that the water pump was inside the block. The DNF there was the pump had dislodged in the PU, on it's first race.
Yes I forgot about that... I wonder where did they integrate that pump...
Here :?:

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Renault V10 geartrain https://twitter.com/DawnTreaderEng

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Blackout wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:54 am
diffuser wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:30 pm
We learned from the Saudi gp that the water pump was inside the block. The DNF there was the pump had dislodged in the PU, on it's first race.
Yes I forgot about that... I wonder where did they integrate that pump...
Here :?:

https://i.imgur.com/tPJKEdG.jpg
Renault V10 geartrain https://twitter.com/DawnTreaderEng
Funny, I thought it would be electrical. I was thinking a little fan that could run on double A batteries amount of power.

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Blackout wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:54 am
diffuser wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:30 pm
We learned from the Saudi gp that the water pump was inside the block. The DNF there was the pump had dislodged in the PU, on it's first race.
Yes I forgot about that... I wonder where did they integrate that pump...
Here :?:

https://i.imgur.com/tPJKEdG.jpg
Renault V10 geartrain https://twitter.com/DawnTreaderEng
Maybe it's inside the V to save space.

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AR3-GP wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:14 pm
Blackout wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:54 am
diffuser wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:30 pm
We learned from the Saudi gp that the water pump was inside the block. The DNF there was the pump had dislodged in the PU, on it's first race.
Yes I forgot about that... I wonder where did they integrate that pump...
Here :?:

https://i.imgur.com/tPJKEdG.jpg
Renault V10 geartrain https://twitter.com/DawnTreaderEng
Maybe it's inside the V to save space.
By inside the block, I understood to be inside the water channels.

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Not overly technical but an interesting article "Nemesis water pump" from AMUS ..

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... sserpumpe/

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diffuser wrote:
Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:36 pm
Not overly technical but an interesting article "Nemesis water pump" from AMUS ..

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... sserpumpe/
"It was our idea to stretch the development as long as possible because it was a brand new car. No one saw us better than eighth place."
:wtf: Frightening.

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AR3-GP wrote:
Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:47 pm
diffuser wrote:
Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:36 pm
Not overly technical but an interesting article "Nemesis water pump" from AMUS ..

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... sserpumpe/
"It was our idea to stretch the development as long as possible because it was a brand new car. No one saw us better than eighth place."
:wtf: Frightening.
Proof that you don't know, what you don't know.