he said there will be a new sidepods and it will look very different but follow that concept
organic wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:35Yes it's also a direct quote from toto so it's fairly reliable. Although there are caveats to thatVenturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:32according to Amus the spec b has been running more than 2 weeks ago now
Could this "spec b" be the "late design change" rumor?This raises the question of why Mercedes hasn't made a change to the concept. The answer must be found last year. The upward curve in the last races of 2022, including the victory in Brazil, has the engineers continuing to pursue their own concept.
Feels like it yes, but why all the smoke and mirrors from eg Mike Elliott saying it's not a departure from their concept but evolutionAR3-GP wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:40organic wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:35Yes it's also a direct quote from toto so it's fairly reliable. Although there are caveats to thatVenturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:32according to Amus the spec b has been running more than 2 weeks ago now
Could this "spec b" be the "late design change" rumor?This raises the question of why Mercedes hasn't made a change to the concept. The answer must be found last year. The upward curve in the last races of 2022, including the victory in Brazil, has the engineers continuing to pursue their own concept.
at least they fixed bouncing unlike ferrariRedragon wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:44All the teams went the opposite direction with their designs, Mercedes went size zero pods. Can't be wrong 95% of all the technical staff on f1. They should have started to work on plan B last year on May. Now they are 1 year and half behind with budget cap. Ego sometimes is a bitch
I don't think so, the AM as RB front suspensions would be hard to copy or understand. Even if Mercedes copy AM, they don't know what's going on at front.Venturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:48at least they fixed bouncing unlike ferrariRedragon wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:44All the teams went the opposite direction with their designs, Mercedes went size zero pods. Can't be wrong 95% of all the technical staff on f1. They should have started to work on plan B last year on May. Now they are 1 year and half behind with budget cap. Ego sometimes is a bitch
would that mean that ferrari will be further back if mercedes switched to normal sidepods?
but mike doesn't control everythingorganic wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:44Feels like it yes, but why all the smoke and mirrors from eg Mike Elliott saying it's not a departure from their concept but evolutionAR3-GP wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:40Could this "spec b" be the "late design change" rumor?This raises the question of why Mercedes hasn't made a change to the concept. The answer must be found last year. The upward curve in the last races of 2022, including the victory in Brazil, has the engineers continuing to pursue their own concept.
then that means merc can just keep the zeropds qnd try to copy the front suspensionRedragon wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:50I don't think so, the AM as RB front suspensions would be hard to copy or understand. Even if Mercedes copy AM, they don't know what's going on at front.Venturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:48at least they fixed bouncing unlike ferrariRedragon wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:44All the teams went the opposite direction with their designs, Mercedes went size zero pods. Can't be wrong 95% of all the technical staff on f1. They should have started to work on plan B last year on May. Now they are 1 year and half behind with budget cap. Ego sometimes is a bitch
would that mean that ferrari will be further back if mercedes switched to normal sidepods?
Mike is the technical director. He controls everything. Nothing goes on the car without his approval.Venturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:50but mike doesn't control everything
in a team of 100 there has to be someone to oppose him and james alisson is there too
if it was that easy would have done already. when 95% of your opposition are going on opposite direction, with big sidepods, it should have ring a bell that probably they were wrong, by May of last year they should have decided to start with a new concept for this year but they didn't because after 8 years winning they couldn't accept they were wrong. Now they have 1 year and half of development behind.Venturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:51then that means merc can just keep the zeropds qnd try to copy the front suspensionRedragon wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:50I don't think so, the AM as RB front suspensions would be hard to copy or understand. Even if Mercedes copy AM, they don't know what's going on at front.Venturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:48
at least they fixed bouncing unlike ferrari
would that mean that ferrari will be further back if mercedes switched to normal sidepods?
engineers talk between them
After the Bahrain failure, Mercedes is therefore on the verge of burying its concept with the small sidepods. "We gave this concept a year's chance. It's not working. We didn't get any closer. The gap to Red Bull has doubled or even tripled," curses team boss Toto Wolff. Mercedes is already testing is already testing a different concept in the wind tunnel with a wide side box. "And that hasn't just been going on for two weeks."
This raises the question of why the team from Brackley didn't already make a radical cut with the basic version. The answer is to be sought in the past year. The upward curve of form in the final races of 2022, including victory in Brazil, tempted the engineers to pursue their own concept. They believed that success would follow. Especially since copying is useless. You first have to understand what the competition is doing. A decision on which direction to actually be taken, has to be made quickly. "We'll tackle that as soon as we return to the factory," Wolff promises. Somehow, though, Mercedes seems lost. Somehow, you get the feeling that the engineers are puzzling over where exactly the Red Bull is so much better. At least the engineers narrowed it down to aerodynamics. It's not down to the mechanics.
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There may be many reason why Merc is struggling.Venturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:59mike elliott history with mercedes:
Technical Director
Jul 2021 - Present1 year 9 months
Technology Director
Jul 2017 - Jul 20214 years 1 month
Head of aerodynamics
Jul 2012 - Jul 2017 5 years 1 month
he has been head of aero since 2012 i don't understand he seems to be very knowledgable and i think if there was a problem he would have seen it
Their tools are behind. I don't know what they have, but Ted needs to ask them about transient simulation.Venturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 01:59mike elliott history with mercedes:
Technical Director
Jul 2021 - Present1 year 9 months
Technology Director
Jul 2017 - Jul 20214 years 1 month
Head of aerodynamics
Jul 2012 - Jul 2017 5 years 1 month
he has been head of aero since 2012 i don't understand he seems to be very knowledgable and i think if there was a problem he would have seen it