W14's new floor edge details
It doesn't matter either way as the rules allow an aerodynamic fairing on the suspension leg. The wishbones are designed and moved primarily for aerodynamic effect in most cases. Everyone knows it.Stu wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 6:06 pmCooling flow is an aerodynamic effect, is it not?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 11:37 amThey are avoiding any suspicions of the suspension used primalarily for aerodynamic reasons is what.
The W14 always had anti-dive as has been designed into Formula 1 cars going back to the late 1960s with the Lotus 72. Pitch sensitivity has always been well understood, the aerodynamicists that came into F1 int he 1970s and 1980s were from the aerospace world where pitch sensitivity is a huge component of their work, and suspension designers have been working to limit it to control the aero platform for 50 years.zibby43 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:05 pmFormer F1 engineer breaks down the upgrades at around 7-min mark:
https://youtu.be/4TdJBzzQFME
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22490826 ... erstappen/(Sidepod design change)The extra surface area will increase downforce and the new design meant the team had to redesign the car's radiators that sit under the bodywork.
It does mean the car is now slightly heavier by around 500 grams but it means that the new Silver Arrow looks more like their rivals.
FIA treat it as a separate function. Brake ducts, driver cooling holes aka s-duct, brabham fan car etc are some examples of "cooling" exploitations.Stu wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 6:06 pmCooling flow is an aerodynamic effect, is it not?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 11:37 amThey are avoiding any suspicions of the suspension used primalarily for aerodynamic reasons is what.
All cars have to have 5 suspension members per corner. FIA cannot ban suspension arms because it has an aero benefit.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:11 amFIA treat it as a separate function. Brake ducts, driver cooling holes aka s-duct, brabham fan car etc are some examples of "cooling" exploitations.Stu wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 6:06 pmCooling flow is an aerodynamic effect, is it not?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 11:37 am
They are avoiding any suspicions of the suspension used primalarily for aerodynamic reasons is what.
Thinking you are not getting what I'm saying... Depends on what the arm is doing FIa can direct that it be modified.AR3-GP wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:23 amAll cars have to have 5 suspension members per corner. FIA cannot ban suspension arms because it has an aero benefit.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:11 amFIA treat it as a separate function. Brake ducts, driver cooling holes aka s-duct, brabham fan car etc are some examples of "cooling" exploitations.
They really aren't. They explicitely said they've modified the suspension to improve wake positioning. Whatever way you spin it, cooling, laptime, wake control is an aero function and because there are now a lack of devices forward of the sidepod inlet, it's highly likely that it IS to somewhat benefit cooling, as the sidepods will have a very different onset requirement.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 2:02 amThinking you are not getting what I'm saying... Depends on what the arm is doing FIa can direct that it be modified.AR3-GP wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:23 amAll cars have to have 5 suspension members per corner. FIA cannot ban suspension arms because it has an aero benefit.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:11 am
FIA treat it as a separate function. Brake ducts, driver cooling holes aka s-duct, brabham fan car etc are some examples of "cooling" exploitations.
Remember up to 2012 or so... Formula 1 cars had pivoting steering arms/ track rods that were driven by cams in the upright. As the suspension compresses the track rods would change their angle of attack significantly. This was effectively banned by new rules.
Another example of when a suspension function was accused as having primarily aerodynamic influence was the FRIC suspension of 2010 to 2014 and Mercedes suspension of 2021.
So all I'm saying is that with the statement made, Mercedes are wisely disassociating their new suspension upgrade with any sort of aerodynamic function....
We all know it's to help the floor in some advantageous way that only RedBull, Aston Martin have "unlocked" so far.
we are getting the most detailed shots of floor ever look at this