What word from Manor, Campos and USGP?

[WhiteBlue]

I do not see a disadvantage if all the new teams were told about this at the same time. If F1 teams can be told to run with one brand of tyres and ECU why should they not be told to run with one brand of engines in an emergency. The main point IMO is: was there an emergency situation that forced the FIA to field such a requirement and were the teams told about it in a timely fashion.

Before we start the name calling to the FIA again one should consider that no other entity in the sport ever cared about getting new teams on the grid and preventing existing teams to be driven into bancrupcy. FOA and Ecclestone are just saying F1 do not need Super Aguri, Ferrari or Honda whenever there is a crisis. FOTA have yet to demonstrate that they care about decent competition and will actually help in getting new teams on the grid regardless of customer relationships.

Did you miss the part where Mercedes and FOTA teamed up with the remains of the Honda team, and gave birth to this years championship leaders?

Or is that inconvenient to your argument?

Brawn was not a new team. It was a simple customer deal as we have seen them often enough before in F1. That business transaction that helped MBHPE Ltd. to utilize their resources and avoid redundancies which had been necessary with the longer engine life.

For the new teams substantial help with chassis know how and bottle necks in design and manufacturing of components is expected. That would have a totally different quality. Have a read about the Williams plan to share premises with another team and transfer engineering resources and you will see that we are talking about an entirely different issue here.

[Conceptual]

I clearly recall Brawn stating how much FOTA helped them survive. And yes, they are a NEW team, just ask the FIA and the FOM.

There was more work done for Brawn (and by McLaren Mercedes of all teams!) than you care to admit. If it was not for FOTA, Brawn would have never made Melbourne, and there is much quotable material on that around the Australlian GP.

I think your take is not correct, and you have found the single point failure yourself.

It is OK, just re analyze the facts, and form a perspective based upon objective reality and proven truth.

New Teams to sue the FIA, and possibly team up with the rejected teams in a class action suit?

Would FOTA have the nuts to back such a play financially? Just to break the FIA?

[The FOZ]

I clearly recall Brawn stating how much FOTA helped them survive. And yes, they are a NEW team, just ask the FIA and the FOM.

The FIA called them a new team to avoid paying out some sort of royalty they were due...were it the opposite situation, and they were due some sort of "new team" benefit, the FIA would have claimed they were an old, re-named team.

Either way, none of this takes away from the fact that FOTA was instrumental in their survival, particularly McL, as you mentioned.

[Conceptual]

I was trying to stay within quotable information. I understand the politics involved in the new/old scenario, but facts are facts, Brawn is a new team in the eyes of the governing body. Period.

[WhiteBlue]

Brawn and Fry were part of FOTA before this began. Of course FOTA would help their members as long as they need them for unity. Does anybody seriously believe they are interested to help a bunch of "F3 or F4" teams as they call them. They would rather run 3 or 4 cars each or employ zombie teams. FOTA has no interest in independant teams, independant engine suppliers or an independant governing body. Their only interest is to have F1 run the way they see fit. They have started a very clever PR campaign to repeat the mantra that they want to improve the show for the fans but if that means shorter races and three Ferraris and McLarens it is not the "improvement" I want to see.

[donskar]

WB, forgive me for taking the liberty to mildly rewrite your post. You are NOT the target of my revisions:

. . . Of course FIA would help small teams as long as they need them for power. Does anybody seriously believe the FIA are interested to help a bunch of "F3 or F4" teams . . . . Their only interest is to have F1 run the way they see fit. They have started a very clever PR campaign to repeat the mantra that they want to improve the show for the fans . . .

My point? We're standing outside a mud pit watching two hogs fight it out. One is FOTA, the other is FIA. I prefer the FOTA hog, but I realize that both are ugly, dirty, and smell really bad.

Offensive metaphor? OK, try this: IMHO, the FIA rates us, the fans, no better than fourth, after greed (BE), power (MM), and ego (both of them). FOTA ranks us third, after power and ego. IMHO, F1 will be marginally better if FOTA becomes (remains?) strong enough to balance MM and BE. I don't necessarily want FOTA to replace MM and BE - just hold them in check.

[Conceptual]

I think the time is ripe for a new (IndyCar?) series to open the regs with a cap, and make F1 a second tier series in terms of spectacle and technology.

Then FOTA can come to the USA and try to beat on Penske and the rest, and BE and MM can goto Abu Dhabi and pound sand.

[Nat]

I have a question concerning these three teams, maybe someone could help.

Can they test this year? I know, test means there is a car there are drivers, which are none so far, but still.

If by autumn, as US F1 said before, they have a car, could they put it on the track for normal test, or will they have to wait till 2010, as all other competitors? Or, maybe they could but with young drivers ony?

Thanks for your opinions.

[mx_tifoso]

So who do you guys think is joining these three?

And by allowing a fourth new team to enter, the FIA is automatically pushing the BMW Sauber race team out of 2010 right? Unless someones buys the team and submits an entry form before someone new team does.

[The FOZ]

So who do you guys think is joining these three?

And by allowing a fourth new team to enter, the FIA is automatically pushing the BMW Sauber race team out of 2010 right? Unless someones buys the team and submits an entry form before someone new team does.

My understanding is that since BMW did not sign the new Concorde agreement, their slot for 2010 is forfeit.

If someone buys the BMW Sauber team, I expect they'd have the best (first?) shot at the slot.

Failing that, I would hope for Prodrive, but not expect them, since they seem to have a black mark next to their name on the entry list.

Lola (from what I recall) have withdrawn, so I wouldn't expect them to put their hat back into the ring.

My money is still on someone buying BMW as a method of gaining easier entry.

[arporter]

Looks like a possible first look at the manor gp car at http://www.manorgp.com/ looks under developed or more likely a token car image on the website holding page.

[Confused_Andy]

Its been there for a very long time, I sincerely doubt its their actual f1 car...

[Scotracer]

Looks like a possible first look at the manor gp car at http://www.manorgp.com/ looks under developed or more likely a token car image on the website holding page.

That's an extremely basic mockup of the aero regs for 2010, nothing more.