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void wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:22 pm
Rodak wrote:
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One problem with it is visibility when 1 car obscures another.
A system like this won't solve the problem, it will just make it more visible (and worse) by detecting more offs. The real issue is modifying tracks that have this issue; at most tracks if you go past track limits there is a consequence so the drivers don't go off; how many track limits violations were there at Monaco (joke!)? Grass, IMHO, is great.
I don't thing this kind of system can solve anything, a half meter wide gravel or other slippery surface would be a better solution making drivers avoid running over this surface.
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Sensors (using the start line motion detection/jump start sensors) with a dual loop in the real track limit (the white line…) would be ideal - link it with either no DRS, no ERS assistance or drive-through penalty, penalties could be incremental & destroy any gaming of current penalty system.

Failing that some ‘mechanical’ system such as:
1) the super aggressive kerbs; eventually the DRIVER will render the car damaged if persistently taking the piss with track limits.
2) a 1m wide, 150mm deep ‘sand pit’ topped with Astro-turf, with hoses embedded to keep it wet. It would only really be required to be placed where current corner kerbs are (inside & out), could be developed such that it works for street/temporary circuits as a bolt in solution (this would allow circuits to cater for both MotoGP/Sportscars & F1. Normal run-off materials could still be used beyond this area.
3) as number 2, but with ‘stingers’; jeopardy….
(Last one is a joke, btw…)
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Stu wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:54 pm
with hoses embedded to keep it wet.
Not a bad idea...if they make a groove and fix a sprinkler hose in it for the GP, they can just keep 1m wet. Would fix any games of going too wide.
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FW17 wrote:
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FW17 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:03 am
Should FOM invest on a Hawk-Eye system that they can move from event to event?

One problem with it is visibility when 1 car obscures another.
The system has multiple cameras

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Gu ... ec-012.jpg
Can this be automated? Even though it doesn't solve the problem itself, this we we'd at least get rid of lap times getting deleted between qualifying sessions

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skoop wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:21 am
FW17 wrote:
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One problem with it is visibility when 1 car obscures another.
The system has multiple cameras

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Gu ... ec-012.jpg
Can this be automated? Even though it doesn't solve the problem itself, this we we'd at least get rid of lap times getting deleted between qualifying sessions
I believe it is automatic in tennis

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Really want to make the problem go away? Make the penalty a stop and go. Verstappen, at the last race, didn't have a single incident, so it certainly is possible to go fast and stay in-bounds. I still think a two meter strip of grass followed by a paved runoff area is the solution. It certainly would be possible to taper the edge of the runoff down where it meets the grass so cars wouldn't catch a vertical edge as they go off. As a plus, places like Qatar would just plain look nicer...... they can certainly afford the cost of water to grow the stuff.

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Rodak wrote:
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As a plus, places like Qatar would just plain look nicer...... they can certainly afford the cost of water to grow the stuff.
The track is in a desert :lol:

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AR3-GP wrote:
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Rodak wrote:
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As a plus, places like Qatar would just plain look nicer...... they can certainly afford the cost of water to grow the stuff.
The track is in a desert :lol:
Really, no kidding? That's why anything but sand would look better.

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Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:17 pm
Simple solution is place microchips in the wheel rims and sensors in the white lines of the trouble corner - when the rim goes past the line, system sends a signal to race control and times are deleted in Q1-3 on the spot and during race three strikes and a time penalty.
Drivers will soon stick within the lines.
A simple solution would be a bale of straw on the exit curb. I know it sounds crazy but only until you think about it.

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FW17 wrote:
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Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:21 am
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The system has multiple cameras

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Gu ... ec-012.jpg
Can this be automated? Even though it doesn't solve the problem itself, this we we'd at least get rid of lap times getting deleted between qualifying sessions
I believe it is automatic in tennis
It can be. But usually at grand slams they keep on a full suit of linesmen and referee. But when you go to lower tier tournaments they have a fully autonomous system. There isn’t even a referee present. Works perfectly. Does take out some of the emotion. Players know it is 100% correct so never feel done wrong, no tirades, no way to boost your own feeling to prop yourself up “against it’. It is really noticable on tour matches.

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Can this be automated? Even though it doesn't solve the problem itself, this we we'd at least get rid of lap times getting deleted between qualifying sessions
I believe it is automatic in tennis
It can be. But usually at grand slams they keep on a full suit of linesmen and referee. But when you go to lower tier tournaments they have a fully autonomous system. There isn’t even a referee present. Works perfectly. Does take out some of the emotion. Players know it is 100% correct so never feel done wrong, no tirades, no way to boost your own feeling to prop yourself up “against it’. It is really noticable on tour matches.
What are you talking about? Both US and Australian Open use the system in full. The one referee is on court to call the score and call time on breaks

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FW17 wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:51 pm
Sieper wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:49 am
FW17 wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:09 am


I believe it is automatic in tennis
It can be. But usually at grand slams they keep on a full suit of linesmen and referee. But when you go to lower tier tournaments they have a fully autonomous system. There isn’t even a referee present. Works perfectly. Does take out some of the emotion. Players know it is 100% correct so never feel done wrong, no tirades, no way to boost your own feeling to prop yourself up “against it’. It is really noticable on tour matches.
What are you talking about? Both US and Australian Open use the system in full. The one referee is on court to call the score and call time on breaks
I was talking about RG and Wimbledon. Hadn’t been paying attention to the hardcourt venues as much.

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Sieper wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 1:55 pm
FW17 wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:51 pm
Sieper wrote:
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It can be. But usually at grand slams they keep on a full suit of linesmen and referee. But when you go to lower tier tournaments they have a fully autonomous system. There isn’t even a referee present. Works perfectly. Does take out some of the emotion. Players know it is 100% correct so never feel done wrong, no tirades, no way to boost your own feeling to prop yourself up “against it’. It is really noticable on tour matches.
What are you talking about? Both US and Australian Open use the system in full. The one referee is on court to call the score and call time on breaks
I was talking about RG and Wimbledon. Hadn’t been paying attention to the hardcourt venues as much.
of the 4 grand slams, US and Australian are lower tier??

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FW17 wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:40 pm
Sieper wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 1:55 pm
FW17 wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:51 pm


What are you talking about? Both US and Australian Open use the system in full. The one referee is on court to call the score and call time on breaks
I was talking about RG and Wimbledon. Hadn’t been paying attention to the hardcourt venues as much.
of the 4 grand slams, US and Australian are lower tier??
What are you talking about? :o

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Three rival F1 teams summoned for Haas track limits review hearing
Red Bull, Aston Martin and Williams have been summoned by the FIA to join a Wednesday hearing over Haas's right of review request regarding alleged Formula 1 track limit breaches.


Author Jonathan Noble
Nov 6, 2023, 2:12 PM

As reported over the Brazilian Grand Prix weekend, Haas has lodged a petition for a right of review over what it feels was the abuse multiple times of track limits at the United States Grand Prix that went unpunished.

The American-owned team believes that several drivers – especially Sergio Perez, Alex Albon, Logan Sargeant and Lance Stroll – went beyond the track limits at Turn 6 of the Circuit of the Americas throughout the US GP without sanction.

Onboard footage of cars appeared to show these drivers well across the white lines throughout the race, and not being picked up by the FIA.

The FIA has agreed to hear Haas's petition on Wednesday and has also summoned the other squads as relevant interested parties.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... /10543718/
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