2023 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 03 - 05

[mwillems]

The problem with your reasoning is that the drivers going slowly were disobeying the race directors orders, and thus they were responsible for creating a dangerous situation when other cars passed (as they are entitled to do). The pit exit is part of the race track, there is no speed limit, and there is no rule against putting a wheel on the grass. Remember Vettel in China 2016. These mental gymnastics are fun though.

Again, if Perez had followed instruction to overtake and gone off track like Max did, there would be a massive incident.

What are you talking about? If you pull out to overtake you obviously have to look in the mirror to see no one is overtaking you on the outside. Have you ever changed lanes in a car? Same principle. You are just jumping all over the place trying to find something to complain about. Unfortunately there is no rules precedent for your point of view, in fact the rules precedent would place the blame squarely at the feet of the drivers disobeying race direction by going slow in the middle of the track. RD literally came up with a new rule EXACTLY for this, yet you still find a way to complain. Fascinating.

There's a bend. There's not a clear line of sight to all the drivers. You can't see who else is pulling out. You can't see if someone is already on the grass. Greatly impeded braking ability on the grass. He could have slowed down when he saw the traffic.

Never safe, never sensible, just knowingly dangerous.

[Cs98]

Again, if Perez had followed instruction to overtake and gone off track like Max did, there would be a massive incident.

What are you talking about? If you pull out to overtake you obviously have to look in the mirror to see no one is overtaking you on the outside. Have you ever changed lanes in a car? Same principle. You are just jumping all over the place trying to find something to complain about. Unfortunately there is no rules precedent for your point of view, in fact the rules precedent would place the blame squarely at the feet of the drivers disobeying race direction by going slow in the middle of the track. RD literally came up with a new rule EXACTLY for this, yet you still find a way to complain. Fascinating.

There's a bend. There's not a clear line of sight to all the drivers. You can't see who else is pulling out. You can't see if someone is already on the grass. Greatly impeded braking ability on the grass. He could have slowed down when he saw the traffic.

Never safe, never sensible, just knowingly dangerous.

This was after the blind bend. And if you don't have a clear line of sight you don't pull out in the fast lane, simple. If you are slow, stay left.

Never safe, never sensible, just knowingly dangerous.

The rules are not your gut feelings. Max broke no rules, the others did. They should've been investigated.

Btw, should Seb have gotten a penalty for his overtake in China?

[chrisc90]

He slowed down after passing the other cars, if Perez had gone off track at that point there'd be carnage!

Honestly, Max fans...

I think your the only one here claiming his actions were dangerous and deserves a penalty?

There would be some credit if the facts you claim, were actually true.

Max slowed down LONG before he was overtaking the other cars, when the cars actually come into view - despite your claims...




Why no wavering opinions towards the Alpine and Alpha Tauri that did EXACTLY the same thing? Or is it just because its Max he should get a penalty?

[Cs98]

He slowed down after passing the other cars, if Perez had gone off track at that point there'd be carnage!

Honestly, Max fans...

I think your the only one here claiming his actions were dangerous and deserves a penalty?

There would be some credit if the facts you claim, were actually true.

Max slowed down LONG before he was overtaking the other cars, when the cars actually come into view - despite your claims...




Why no wavering opinions towards the Alpine and Alpha Tauri that did EXACTLY the same thing? Or is it just because its Max he should get a penalty?

LOL. He was literally going 50 mph at that point. Wow, how dangerous This is all about the fact it's Max, nothing else.

[101FlyingDutchman]

He slowed down after passing the other cars, if Perez had gone off track at that point there'd be carnage!

Honestly, Max fans...

I think your the only one here claiming his actions were dangerous and deserves a penalty?

There would be some credit if the facts you claim, were actually true.

Max slowed down LONG before he was overtaking the other cars, when the cars actually come into view - despite your claims...




Why no wavering opinions towards the Alpine and Alpha Tauri that did EXACTLY the same thing? Or is it just because its Max he should get a penalty?

LOL. He was literally going 50 mph at that point. Wow, how dangerous This is all about the fact it's Max, nothing else.

And I’m not even a Max fan! I support MCL and the boys. Sadly clutching at straws to make an argument doesn’t make it true…we are all entitled to our own opinions but quite rightly NOT our own made up facts

[chrisc90]

Maybe we should throw some penalties in there for those blocking Yuki. The AMR?

[Cs98]

Maybe we should throw some penalties in there for those blocking Yuki. The AMR?

That's so dangerous man... Passing someone with a wheel outside the white line in the pit exit AT 40 MPH!!! Respect the white flags man...

[chrisc90]

Lets give Gasly another penalty for driving dangerously too.





FB link for this one, it popped up on my Facebook from F1 account

[mwillems]

Maybe we should throw some penalties in there for those blocking Yuki. The AMR?

That's so dangerous man... Passing someone with a wheel outside the white line in the pit exit AT 40 MPH!!! Respect the white flags man...

How does that even compare? it was a slower overtake that was fully considered.

[Wouter]

He slowed down after passing the other cars, if Perez had gone off track at that point there'd be carnage!

Honestly, Max fans...

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I think your the only one here claiming his actions were dangerous and deserves a penalty?

There would be some credit if the facts you claim, were actually true.

Max slowed down LONG before he was overtaking the other cars, when the cars actually come into view - despite your claims...

https://streamable.com/mxriuy

Why no wavering opinions towards the Alpine and Alpha Tauri that did EXACTLY the same thing? Or is it just because its Max he should get a penalty?

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LOL. He was literally going 50 mph at that point. Wow, how dangerous

This is all about the fact it's Max, nothing else.

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Exactly!!

[chrisc90]

How does that even compare? it was a slower overtake that was fully considered.

40mph outside the white line in the pit exit. So dangerous man... And btw, why don't you look at the Gasly overtake. Let us know how you feel about that one And the Vettel overtake from years ago too.

I'm not, it has nothing to do with it.

Im lost now. Why have so much passion for the Max 'incident', but then decline to comment on the Gasly 'incident' which was identical in nature?
So 2 drivers do the same thing...
1 deserves a penalty, the other one not?

[Sieper]

The issue is that there are some that want to get Max penalised while there is no ground for that. You can think of this action whatever you want, but it is not an offence.

No I think Max sees an opportunity to help himself and ignore a danger to others because there's a benefit to him, and I think it's something we've seen throughout his career.

This statement says a something about how you are looking at this.

That speed down the narrow pitlane with slow cars was never safe, he knew about it, his team knew about it, and he went and got an advantage through dangerous driving.

I think I would leave that judgement to Max. He knows how to drive an F1 car and how much grip he has. If he feels he has enough grip to go halfway across the grass and that speed, I will trust his judgement more than yours. And besides that, I'v seen them go over the grass much faster than that.

Lewis went over the grass last race to overtake Leclerc. I see no complaints in that thread and certainly no remarks about him doing that all career long and being a danger to others. Like in 2016 in Spain.

[bluechris]

I am a happy person that i learned many things today thx to people here.
1. A driver that is shown white flag that saying "be careful, there are slower cars ahead" then is correct that this driver accelerates towards to then in a blind left corner before he sees them.
2. Than when he finally see's them it's normal to pass them with most of the car in the grass with triple speed. You don't need to lift the gas a bit, no it's not good, maybe they can allow DRS also open.

Thank you all for this.

[AR3-GP]

I am happy person that i learned many things today thx to people here.
1. A driver that is shown white flag that saying "be careful, there are slower cars ahead" then is correct that this driver accelerates towards to then in a blind left corner before he sees them.
2. That when he finally see's them it's normal to pass them with most of the car in the grass with triple speed. You don't need to lift the gas a bit, no it's not good, maybe they can allow DRS also open.

Thank you all for this.

They are not permitted to slow down unnecessarily. The rules were clarified for this weekend. It's debatable that the white flag is being used appropriately when the reasons for the slow car are illegitimate.

[bluechris]

I am happy person that i learned many things today thx to people here.
1. A driver that is shown white flag that saying "be careful, there are slower cars ahead" then is correct that this driver accelerates towards to then in a blind left corner before he sees them.
2. That when he finally see's them it's normal to pass them with most of the car in the grass with triple speed. You don't need to lift the gas a bit, no it's not good, maybe they can allow DRS also open.

Thank you all for this.

They are not permitted to slow down unnecessarily. The rules were clarified for this weekend. It's debatable that the white flag is being used appropriately when the reasons for the slow car are illegitimate.

I have nothing more to say on the matter and i don't care for the rules but for the move that Max did. It's not logical and safe to pass with triple speed from the grass, end of story. Maybe it's not a penalty no problem but that doesn't make it right, that my point.