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Car is fast in a straight line but is losing heaps of time through corners. Looking like the 4th best team right now.

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Degradation/graining on the mediums looked REALLY bad again..

Comparing Lewis (new Mediums to Max (13 lap old mediums) who had similar degradation to Ferrari

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Last 4 laps are a separate soft long run

I think they aren't running enough DF for the tyres
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mkay wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:36 pm
Car is fast in a straight line but is losing heaps of time through corners. Looking like the 4th best team right now.
Hamilton had perfect tows on the back straight (vegas strip) and finishing the lap on his fastest lap so I think the straight line speed is deceiving for that lap in specific.

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organic wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:07 pm
Degradation/graining on the mediums looked REALLY bad again..

Comparing Lewis (new Mediums to Max (13 lap old mediums) who had similar degradation to Ferrari

https://i.imgur.com/0FcET0W.png

I think they aren't running enough DF for the tyres
Kinda imagined that since Merc was quite fast in a straight line. I also don't get why GR is significantly faster than LH in the race simulation. Maybe different programmes and targets?

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AR3-GP wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:13 pm
mkay wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:36 pm
Car is fast in a straight line but is losing heaps of time through corners. Looking like the 4th best team right now.
Hamilton had perfect tows on both straights on his fastest lap so I think the straight line speed is deceiving for that lap in specific.

https://i.postimg.cc/RhBF632p/image.png
Rpm of Merc is also high. See compared to McLaren..


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Bill_Kar wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:14 pm
organic wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:07 pm
Degradation/graining on the mediums looked REALLY bad again..

Comparing Lewis (new Mediums to Max (13 lap old mediums) who had similar degradation to Ferrari

https://i.imgur.com/0FcET0W.png

I think they aren't running enough DF for the tyres
Kinda imagined that since Merc was quite fast in a straight line. I also don't get why GR is significantly faster than LH in the race simulation. Maybe different programmes and targets?
With George I think he pushed harder at the beginning - maybe simulating an undercut and he hit a MASSIVE cliff in terms of tyre performance Image
Not dissimilar to how the tyres behaved in Brazil.. ok for a few laps pushing and boom

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organic wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:15 pm

Rpm of Merc is also high. See compared to McLaren..

Yep Merc was in a high power mode. Hamilton asked after the end of his 36.6 if he had "1 more lap with that power mode" (in reference to wanting to do another hot lap to beat George's time since he said that he knew where he dropped the 3 tenths to George) and Bono said "negative" and told him a different engine mode.

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They added downforce since yesterday. The monza wing without the trimmed DRS flap

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organic wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:24 am
They added downforce since yesterday. The monza wing without the trimmed DRS flap
is there any info on their medium long runs this session or is it too early?

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Luscion wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:30 am
organic wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:24 am
They added downforce since yesterday. The monza wing without the trimmed DRS flap
is there any info on their medium long runs this session or is it too early?
Too early but I'll post when I find the info :wink:

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didn't check the onboards, but from the times alone, it looks like the problem was the same as yesterday

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organic wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:24 am
They added downforce since yesterday. The monza wing without the trimmed DRS flap
I can't see a different wing. The flap is still trimmed in FP3. It's hard to tell. It seems like the trailing edge is slightly further away from the Petronas label today, but I can't decide if that's just camera angles/optical illusion. A flap trim is s


I've looked again, it looks the same as yesterday.

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Oh cmon what happened with Lewis there???? I thought a second row lock was on the cards here…

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Lewis won't score points IMO. The fp3 long run was woeful and now not even a good starting position. With Perez and potentially Sainz behind I could see him going backwards rather than forwards.

3rd Q2 elim for Lewis this year, his performance is a bit more variable than russell it seems

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Russell is P3 on the grid, almost P2. So we can't act like the car just doesn't work here.