2026 F1 Cars - General Thread

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Meh. It still looks overly contrived.

Cost cap and open the regs. That was the plan (2010 anyways😒). These SUV hybrids are just not interesting beyond the aero trickery.

Let the war happen. The CAP solves the only problem with that.

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Zynerji wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:21 am
Meh. It still looks overly contrived.

Cost cap and open the regs. That was the plan (2010 anyways😒). These SUV hybrids are just not interesting beyond the aero trickery.

Let the war happen. The CAP solves the only problem with that.
They are trying to make the cars so they can race close together.

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Zynerji wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:21 am
Meh. It still looks overly contrived.

Cost cap and open the regs. That was the plan (2010 anyways😒). These SUV hybrids are just not interesting beyond the aero trickery.

Let the war happen. The CAP solves the only problem with that.
It solves one of many problems...

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"active aero (FW and RW)"
is this a rule ? - (the races start c.2 years from now)

what is the rule ?
(currently we have 2 permitted RW states dictated by fixed external command)
2 discrete states ?
5 discrete states/1 wing ? (eg Boeing/Airbus)
continuously variable states/2 wings ? - with automatic 'Monza to Monte Carlo' activation ?
ground effect managed by real-time wing DF control ? - anti-porpoising ?

F1 etc had both passive and simple active wing systems in 1967
do we now get instant 'unlimited' DF' regardless of drag or instant 'unlimited' drag regardless of DF ?
250 mph then 8g braking ?

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Tommy Cookers wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:17 pm
F1 etc had both passive and simple active wing systems in 1967
do we now get instant 'unlimited' DF' regardless of drag or instant 'unlimited' drag regardless of DF ?
250 mph then 8g braking ?
Available power is reduced above 300km/h (186mph) from ~750kW (~1,005hp) to ~550kW (~738hp) at 340km/h (211mph).

The prospect of going 250mph is unlikely.

The downforce levels are likely to be less than now, due to the smaller, shorter cars.

The variable wings are likely to be 2 position (like DRS).

8g braking would also seem unlikely.

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wuzak wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:24 am
The variable wings are likely to be 2 position (like DRS).
I think they aim for 3 at least positions - cornering (high drag), straights ("medium" drag) and DRS (low drag). There was also talk of additional downforce for the following car in corners, so kind of opposite of DRS - so maybe even 4 positions. Also let's not forget constantly variable aero was also in the mix, which I honestly hope will not happen.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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What ever do they have against straight wings and endplates? It looks so wrong (did the formula e team get involved in this render)

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If they need to go low drag, they need some flip up in front of the rear wheel

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FW17 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:11 am
What ever do they have against straight wings and endplates? It looks so wrong (did the formula e team get involved in this render)

https://collectingcars.imgix.net/009872 ... =srgb&q=85

If they need to go low drag, they need some flip up in front of the rear wheel

https://cdn-0.motorsport.com/static/img ... ning-a.jpg
Front wing endplates are tall to avoid generating strong wing-tip vortices which directly influence the car behind. Also, teams with more resources have shown to be able to exploit these vortices a lot better than others.

Indeed, some bodywork in front of the rear wheel would go a long way in sorting out the rear wheel drag, as well as providing good basis for better performance in keeping the dirty air away from diffuser.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:51 pm
FW17 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:11 am
What ever do they have against straight wings and endplates? It looks so wrong (did the formula e team get involved in this render)

https://collectingcars.imgix.net/009872 ... =srgb&q=85

If they need to go low drag, they need some flip up in front of the rear wheel

https://cdn-0.motorsport.com/static/img ... ning-a.jpg
Front wing endplates are tall to avoid generating strong wing-tip vortices which directly influence the car behind. Also, teams with more resources have shown to be able to exploit these vortices a lot better than others.

Indeed, some bodywork in front of the rear wheel would go a long way in sorting out the rear wheel drag, as well as providing good basis for better performance in keeping the dirty air away from diffuser.
It is not the height of the end plate, but the inclination of the endplate. What ever they want to do with regards to vortex generation is fine, but keep it simple and straight with a profile in only one axis and not 2

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The other issue which i have issue is the continuing swept back concept of the front wing, what does it add? the old man had this dumb idea for 2017 and we know every idea in that car destroyed F1 and they are working to undo all of them.

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FW17 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:44 pm
It is not the height of the end plate, but the inclination of the endplate. What ever they want to do with regards to vortex generation is fine, but keep it simple and straight with a profile in only one axis and not 2

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/F ... 054661.jpg

https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?image_ ... d7acdbe077

The other issue which i have issue is the continuing swept back concept of the front wing, what does it add? the old man had this dumb idea for 2017 and we know every idea in that car destroyed F1 and they are working to undo all of them.

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/static/img ... 15-car.jpg
I honestly don't think either detail should be taken too much into accoutn, it's AMuS rendering after all. Front wing sweep may survive, although it's a very silly detail. It may be something for the "new" fans, it looks fast :lol:
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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The irony of front wing sweep is that a swept back leading edge encourages a small amount of outwash.

I might be mistaken but the wing on the Audi concept doesn't look swept.

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AR3-GP wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:50 pm
I might be mistaken but the wing on the Audi concept doesn't look swept.
It is swept
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wogx wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:04 pm
AR3-GP wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:50 pm
I might be mistaken but the wing on the Audi concept doesn't look swept.
It is swept
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/F ... 053596.jpg
Thank you, I also think they sweep the wings because it looks better.

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It was indeed done just for looks. F1 described new wings as "more elegant and dramatic"

However I agree that its pointless and just reminds me of a childs car drawing that is meant to be fast and swoopy :roll:

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3400 mm of wheelbase is still too much, swept wings also add unnecessary length (and weight).
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