2023 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Nov 24 - 26

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Wouter wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:06 pm
CHT wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:21 pm
anyone have information on engines used so far?
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And Carlos Sainz got a 3rd ES on Nov 17.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... %20now.pdf
22 races with 4 engines, reckon some engines will be on their 6th race this weekend.

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SiLo wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:47 pm
chrisc90 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:19 pm
Do not worth watching FP1 then.
Why not?
Just all the rookies getting their annual spin in a F1 car. Hopefully with having a grid full of rookies from other series - they wont see it as a contest of who can set the fastest lap.

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chrisc90 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:04 pm
SiLo wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:47 pm
chrisc90 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:19 pm
Do not worth watching FP1 then.
Why not?
Just all the rookies getting their annual spin in a F1 car. Hopefully with having a grid full of rookies from other series - they wont see it as a contest of who can set the fastest lap.
Where’s the fun in that?

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Mogster wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:57 pm
chrisc90 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:04 pm
SiLo wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:47 pm


Why not?
Just all the rookies getting their annual spin in a F1 car. Hopefully with having a grid full of rookies from other series - they wont see it as a contest of who can set the fastest lap.
Where’s the fun in that?
Not sure I understand the context of your post there.

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The poster appeared to be suggesting that the group of rookies should be dissuaded from competing against each other during FP1. Maybe I misunderstood.

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The RB rookies will be both thinking they can top the timesheets.. FP1 will be very interesting IMO
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It depends on what fuel loads they are carrying.

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AR3-GP wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:48 pm
It depends on what fuel loads they are carrying.
The rookies? The RB guys - it is a head to head. One of them gets to go home and pretend to be No1 driver and the other has to go home and recognise he really dropped the ball.

There is no valid reason these guys are in the car - it is all FIA dung isn't it?

As we have a cost cap we ought to bring back on track, mid season testing - get the rookies in a car doing good mileage and being allowed to demonstrate that they are special. F2 brings nothing to F1 these days as the drivers can't show their talent. it is all about the correct slot/opportunity and very little about the quality.
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CHT wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:48 pm
Wouter wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:06 pm
CHT wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:21 pm
anyone have information on engines used so far?
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And Carlos Sainz got a 3rd ES on Nov 17.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... %20now.pdf
22 races with 4 engines, reckon some engines will be on their 6th race this weekend.
no idea which engine exactly was used at what race, but this shows when they were introduced, at least:

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After Interlagos, Mercedes said that they were using older units for the "high altitude" races, so I guess that will be the case for most.

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search wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:00 am
CHT wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:48 pm
Wouter wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:06 pm

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And Carlos Sainz got a 3rd ES on Nov 17.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... %20now.pdf
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22 races with 4 engines, reckon some engines will be on their 6th race this weekend.
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no idea which engine exactly was used at what race,
but this shows when they were introduced, at least:

https://i.imgur.com/PfR45ML.png

After Interlagos, Mercedes said that they were using older units for the "high altitude" races, so I guess that will be the case for most.
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You must mean by "engines" only the ICE's?

For example Zhou and Kevin used only 4 MGU-K components. You mentioned 5 .
For the grid penalties all the components of the PU are important, not only the ICE.
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Wouter wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:28 am
search wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:00 am
CHT wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:48 pm

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22 races with 4 engines, reckon some engines will be on their 6th race this weekend.
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no idea which engine exactly was used at what race,
but this shows when they were introduced, at least:

https://i.imgur.com/PfR45ML.png

After Interlagos, Mercedes said that they were using older units for the "high altitude" races, so I guess that will be the case for most.
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You must mean by "engines" only the ICE's?

For example Zhou and Kevin used only 4 MGU-K components. You mentioned 5 .
For the grid penalties all the components of the PU are important, not only the ICE.
yeah, that's what he asked for, isn't it? The ICE is the (Internal combustion) engine, the other elements are part of the power unit. That's how I refer to it, at least.

edit: the table for all parts is here, though: https://i.imgur.com/zbYGh4D.png
Last edited by search on Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:44 am, edited 1 time in total.

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chrisc90 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:04 pm
SiLo wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:47 pm
chrisc90 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:19 pm
Do not worth watching FP1 then.
Why not?
Just all the rookies getting their annual spin in a F1 car. Hopefully with having a grid full of rookies from other series - they wont see it as a contest of who can set the fastest lap.
I think it will be really interesting actually, these are potentially future F1 drivers and seeing them in the car is a great insight into who might make it and who might not.
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search wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:41 am
Wouter wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:28 am
search wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:00 am

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no idea which engine exactly was used at what race,
but this shows when they were introduced, at least:

https://i.imgur.com/PfR45ML.png

After Interlagos, Mercedes said that they were using older units for the "high altitude" races, so I guess that will be the case for most.
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You must mean by "engines" only the ICE's?

For example Zhou and Kevin used only 4 MGU-K components. You mentioned 5 .
For the grid penalties all the components of the PU are important, not only the ICE.
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yeah, that's what he asked for, isn't it? The ICE is the (Internal combustion) engine, the other elements are part of the power unit. That's how I refer to it, at least.
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Normally when people say: "anyone have information on engines used so far?" they mean the components of the PU,
because they want to know if someone will face a gridpenalty for one of the components of the PU.

For example, this was before last years Abu Dhabi GP when somone asked about the used engines.

Here you can see 8 drivers used more ICE's than the other components, so little grid penalties:

Image
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MtthsMlw wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:43 pm
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If Vagas has shown anything, is that a simple layout is better for the show.

Abu Dhabi would be lot better if the section between turns 12 and 15 were gone.

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Wouter wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:59 am
Normally when people say: "anyone have information on engines used so far?" they mean the components of the PU,
because they want to know if someone will face a gridpenalty for one of the components of the PU.
I understood it more as a "how much power is left" kind of question. No one will take a penalty in Abu Dhabi anyway, but some will have better engines left than others. The table I posted can give an indication at least.