Riding on the coattails of a performance 17 years ago??Hammerfist wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 22:36And yet he couldnt beat him in the same car as a rookie. Hmmm…
Riding on the coattails of a performance 17 years ago??Hammerfist wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 22:36And yet he couldnt beat him in the same car as a rookie. Hmmm…
It was a factually incorrect statement i was replying to but i see i hit a nerve…
Scuderia Ferrari has plenty of team fans. I'm not sure Mercedes-Benz (and/or British American Racing) has that many team fans, I guess mainly due to the large gap in Mercedes participation but also it doesn't help that Mercedes do not sponsor a home German Grand Prix.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 22:38Can't wait for 2025 to see everybody that's here right now in the Ferrari threads!
And suddenly all the 63 gr "fans" disappear and become CL16 fans and expertsPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 22:38Can't wait for 2025 to see everybody that's here right now in the Ferrari threads! Lol. There always seems to be a litte caravan following no matter where the sticks are put up.
But guys. The man finished best of the rest laste year in the fifth fastest car, has 7 wdc and 103 wins and 104 pole positions. I don't see how trundling around for 6th place means anything?
It makes more sense to help Mercedes understand their own car no?
Had they reached potential though or is it just a saying? I mean RB now run a Mercedes style engine cover (which I think looks awful BTW) so clearly some parts were working.Elite wrote: ↑22 Apr 2024, 00:10It's really quite simple, the w14 development was stopped as they had reached the limit of the potential of that concept. Performing well? You must not have watched Brazil, Las Vegas, Abu Dhabi.
With respect, you have no clue what you are talking about and should go back to the red bull forum instead of obsessing over Mercedes
I think Merc or perhaps Toto was trying to please Lewis and this was capture in one scene in Drive to Survive where Lewis said I told you so and Toto agreed . I believe that scene must have happened before Mike was fired. And little did they know AN took some concept from W14 and integrate to their RB20. Guess Mike must now be saying I told you so Toto.chrisc90 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2024, 00:19Had they reached potential though or is it just a saying? I mean RB now run a Mercedes style engine cover (which I think looks awful BTW) so clearly some parts were working.Elite wrote: ↑22 Apr 2024, 00:10It's really quite simple, the w14 development was stopped as they had reached the limit of the potential of that concept. Performing well? You must not have watched Brazil, Las Vegas, Abu Dhabi.
With respect, you have no clue what you are talking about and should go back to the red bull forum instead of obsessing over Mercedes
No public is ever going to know the full set of numbers or headline/max potential numbers for a car, just isn’t going to happen.
We got a lucky piece of information when Red bull designers said they had seen ‘their’ max potential of a design and considered a change.
Okay. Let's make a bet. Hamilton beats Russel this year, still makes excuses to the media, and does the young driver test for Ferrari and the world forgets about 2024 and the W15 and even Russel gets forgotten.Cs98 wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 19:09Yeah, fundamentally Force India... + a brand new factory + a new wind tunnel + full funding + new ownership + new technical leadership + new drivers + an incoming works engine partner. Basically the exact same team, kind of like how RBR is just Jaguar with a new badge. Nothing has changed for those two teams, ambition level is still back of the midfield.ringo wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 15:57It's different when you used to win trying to claw your way back. Than when you don't know how to win and settle for what you get.
Aston Martin and Alonso are Force India fundamentally. P7 is what they expect. Stroll is nowhere and Alonso is new to the team and has no reason to experiment. They car is solidly 3rd of 4th best car on the grid. Force India are glad with that status.
As for Lewis only complaining about setup when he loses to George. That's not true. Even when he is ahead he says he made some changes after Practice 3 that seem to work or wasnt the best. He always says that. Why would he be a spoiled sport if he gets a good result and complains? The hate brigade will say he is ungrateful etc. The man cannot win in the eyes of some.
But again, why did he experiment and come 3rd last year? Clearly he knows what he is doing. And clearly he doesnt see beating George as any kind of career goal to accomplish. He's just keeping his head down and smelling the roses and learning about car setups. He really has nothing to prove after 103 wins and 7wdc.
Alonso has no reason to experiment? Why he has the exact same reasons to "experiment" as Hamilton, all they care about is getting back to the front. They've already felt the taste of victory. The real reason he doesn't "experiment" is because he's crushing his teammate, he's not in need of an excuse.
He never calls them "experiments" when he's ahead, nor does he feel the need to bring it up. It's only when behind he brings it up as an excuse. Of course, we won't find you in here saying that "Hamilton might've beat Russell because his experimental set-up worked", ever. Eventhough if you truly believed he was doing these experiments, and you were honest, that would be a very likely possibility. Would it not? Or do experiments only fail, only work one way? Convenient.
And 6th the year before that, let's not forget.But again, why did he experiment and come 3rd last year? Clearly he knows what he is doing. And clearly he doesnt see beating George as any kind of career goal to accomplish. He's just keeping his head down and smelling the roses and learning about car setups. He really has nothing to prove after 103 wins and 7wdc.
Keeping his head down? Not exactly. He's keeping his head up in the media, on the team radio, making sure everyone far and wide knows that Sir Lewis Hamilton is indeed conducting "experiments". If he truly didn't care he wouldn't be so adamant about reminding everyone after every session. Of course he does care, and he understands that it does matter for his remaining career. A person who didn't care would act like Seb Vettel did in the final seasons of his career.
I kind of agree that Toto needs to go. I like him as a character and for what he has done for the team over the years. But he can bring no mor3 new ideas as team principal.FW17 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2024, 04:13Toto is a problem for the team moving forward just as Mattia was. They need a fresh outlook on running the team when the engines are on par, which currently the set up (1000 people) does not work. Toto is a share holder and he can continue on that, but TP and CEO are not suited to the current budget camp era.
It's all woulda coulda shoulda. If Lewis didnt have a gearbox glitch in Brasil 2007 he would be a rookie champion, or if came in to pit one lap earlier in China that year.JordanMugen wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 20:20Russell wasn't driving for Mercedes in 2020 or 2021, so nobody knows if Russell could have 1 WDC or 2 WDC, which would also mean Hamilton would "only" be on 6 WDC (which is still excellent!).
All both Mercedes drivers -- Russell and Hamilton -- can do is push to the maximum. Obviously despite Lewis being certain that Mercedes GP "never makes mistakes", he lost faith in the team while also Wolff did not offer a sufficient contract. A shame for the three-star brand, but it happens I guess -- Vettel similarly left Red Bull Racing for the prancing horse despite success, while Alonso left Renault for McLaren-Mercedes despite success...
Indeed Hamilton himself left McLaren-Mercedes despite success and could otherwise have stuck with McLaren-Honda, McLaren-Renault and McLaren-Mercedes to the present day!