https://formu1a.uno/it/ferrari-sainz-da ... -faticato/"It's a track that I could see from the moment I tried it on the simulator that it would be difficult for our car. It just wasn't a good thing and we were slow all weekend."
https://formu1a.uno/it/ferrari-sainz-da ... -faticato/"It's a track that I could see from the moment I tried it on the simulator that it would be difficult for our car. It just wasn't a good thing and we were slow all weekend."
Perez has the same top speeds near the end of the race as Leclerc. All 311-312 km/h. It's because both of them had a car ahead of them within 3-4 seconds on the back straight. Their datasets are corrupted by slip streams (but equally so, ironically).dialtone wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 22:02I’m excluding plenty of laps, any lap with DRS is out and most of laps in which LEC was near another car he was in DRS. There’s maybe 20-25 laps total for LEC. In both the stretches you mentioned the speed of LEC has the same distribution and top speed.AR3-GP wrote:delete, okay I understand the point below.
What is so hard to believe in having the smallest wing and best top speed? Are you not satisfied unless RBR has the top of everything, even useless stuff like this? Your motivation to always be contrarian is very tiring.
Can you read Dialtone?
They funny thing with armchair experts is, when they do not understand something, they assume F1 teams are stupid, and they have the magic key no engineer in the paddock noticedAndres125sx wrote: ↑22 Apr 2024, 17:03I´m not Vanja, but nope. That would only improve acceleration phase, while drag by a larger wing will reduce both acceleration and top speed.Silent Storm wrote: ↑22 Apr 2024, 16:20Vanja, won't a larger rear wing allow drivers to get back on power earlier and cancel out the 5 tenths loss on straight?
And that´s without even mentioning a larger rear wing will unbalance the car and behaviour going into corners, and mid corner, wich will be terrible. If increasing front wing too to keep balance, then drag will literally kill you
Also, increasing any wing over the optimum will make you slower at the straight, and your competition will anihilate you in the race. Even if the car is faster this way (wich is false), it´s useless if everybody pass you at the straights, and you can pass none because of the lower top speed
Top speed is far, extremelly far from irrelevant as you´re suggesting. Try to pass at the race with a low top speed... or try to avoid being passed. Reducing top speed is the best way to ruin a race, and frustrate your drivers too. Even slower cars will pass you when in DRS, and then you will never be able to pass them again because of your low top speeddialtone wrote: ↑22 Apr 2024, 17:24That’s not correct.
This is a balance and your description forgets it.
Traction out of corners is mostly how you get to pass these days. Car in front has bad exit out of slow corner into straight and car behind makes the move at the end of the straight.
This is to say that a bad exit, of which Ferrari had plenty, influences top speed just as much as the wing, but more clearly, in quali you still get to use DRS, reducing the impact of the wing but still gaining in the corners. And in the race you spend more time in the early part of the straight, where traction matters, than at top speed, where wing matters.
It’s a balance and probably Ferrarid decided this balance was worth a try but didn’t work out. No big deal but it makes no sense to think that this was the absolutely only wing possible and this result was inevitable or due to something insurmountable or intrinsic.
dialtone wrote: ↑22 Apr 2024, 18:40I don't know how you measure traction, I choose to look at when you put the throttle down, normally the driver without grip is going to be hesitant to put down power to not spin, and then obviously there's the acceleration part.
https://i.imgur.com/HF8eZS5.png
This is average lap in Jeddah for the whole race between LEC and VER. LEC is generally on throttle earlier than VER despite basically always braking later. So that car has good grip and traction and rotates very well. As far as acceleration goes, there's at least 1 case in which Ferrari is much slower in the corner at 3000m, but even before exit they are back to equal speed, another showing of good traction.
https://i.imgur.com/ps81JCX.png
Again Australia SAI vs NOR, Ferrari generally brakes later and is back on the throttle at the same time or earlier. Corner at 4000m is pretty emblematic of this.
Even ignoring all of this and assuming they've had poor traction, they were still the best of the rest compared to RedBull, while in China they were much worse than the previous 0.3-4s worse than RBR down to 1s worse.
Last time was way back in 2012CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑22 Apr 2024, 22:37You lot are outspamming the McLaren thread. That has never happened around here before I believe![]()
It's a knife edge balance. A car with less rear wing can still not have a good top speed number (if the length of the straight isn't long enough to reach Vmax saturation) if the exit from the previous corner is sub-optimal. The same car with slightly more wing, can perhaps hit 2-3 kph more purely because of better corner exit before the straight.Andres125sx wrote: ↑23 Apr 2024, 08:39About Norris, did you notice top speed? Lower for Leclerc even with wing level they used, and your suggestion is increasing rear wing so they loose even more top speed?
Will be mostly red with blue highlights as far as I understood. Their social media posts suggest the same, as well as the main marketing campaignorganic wrote: ↑23 Apr 2024, 13:49Special retro livery for Miami. Blue is mentioned by Duchessa
Like this ?
https://i.imgur.com/fNpZEX2.jpeg
Yep a full Blue/White NART style livery would be ideal but we can't have nice things.