In lap 11 Norris was still held up by Perez. Once Perez pitted Norris was quicker than Max.
I'm quite certain I heard radio back from RB saying "Car is ok" soon after the incident happened. As for 2 tenths in T1, that's from Horner, Max said right after the race he didn't feel anything different and at the time he wasn't aware there was damage --> https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... /10607603/Joel709 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 7:13 pmApart from the fact the telemetry did show something, he after that incident he was losing atleast 2 tenths in the first corner alone. I think McLaren had the raw pace anyway but to dismiss a hole in the floor when these cars are sensitive to a single MM is just dumb
As for T1, incident happened in Lap 21, while Lap 20 was Max' personal best in 1st Stint. In Lap 22 there is no time loss in T1 and afterwards, the bulk of it was lost in slow corners like T17, where he was late on brakes a bit and compromised entry speed.Asked specifically though about Horner’s suggestions of his pace drop being down to damage, Verstappen replied: “It didn't feel different, so I don't know. Maybe it was already damaged. I don't know. I mean I hit that thing and then my pace was the same so I didn't really know if there was damage.”
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https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/274861/v ... k=onderaanBalbo and Waterhouse also extend
Balbo (Head of Aerodynamics) and Waterhouse (Head of Performance Engineering) also both signed a new multi-year deal at Red Bull Racing, GPblog found out.
Checking the replay Max asked them to check the front wing there wasn't a reply to the broadcast - but its possible if there was a reply somewhere was referring to that - this was from the Sky broadcast, F1TV may have had somethign different if thats what you had.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 9:20 pmI'm quite certain I heard radio back from RB saying "Car is ok" soon after the incident happened. As for 2 tenths in T1, that's from Horner, Max said right after the race he didn't feel anything different and at the time he wasn't aware there was damage --> https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... /10607603/Joel709 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 7:13 pmApart from the fact the telemetry did show something, he after that incident he was losing atleast 2 tenths in the first corner alone. I think McLaren had the raw pace anyway but to dismiss a hole in the floor when these cars are sensitive to a single MM is just dumb
As for T1, incident happened in Lap 21, while Lap 20 was Max' personal best in 1st Stint. In Lap 22 there is no time loss in T1 and afterwards, the bulk of it was lost in slow corners like T17, where he was late on brakes a bit and compromised entry speed.Asked specifically though about Horner’s suggestions of his pace drop being down to damage, Verstappen replied: “It didn't feel different, so I don't know. Maybe it was already damaged. I don't know. I mean I hit that thing and then my pace was the same so I didn't really know if there was damage.”
https://i.ibb.co/fr2TGgw/ver-mia-24-1.jpg
Lap 23 was when VSC was called but Max almost finished S1, so we can observe first couple of corners and he actually gained a tenth in T1-2-3. On Hards he immediately gained 2 tenths in T1 simply for having fresh tyres.
https://i.ibb.co/C5QDzKd/ver-mia-24-2.jpg
Does this mean anything special? No, he wasn't very consistent on Mediums and his lap times were going up and down the whole time - here I added Laps 17, 18 and 19
https://i.ibb.co/tx1QGPZ/ver-mia-24-3.jpg
The one thing that is clear is how much better he was on Hards, lap times were much more consistent and 20/23 laps were within 2 tenths. Red arrow points at the incident.
https://i.ibb.co/WcrKLp8/ver-mia-24-4.jpg
If there was any aerodynamic inconsistency, I can assure you those laps would not have been possible.
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Wow!!! 220 people hired from Mercedes HPP into RBPT.Christian Horner hits back at Zak Brown and Toto Wolff's comments regarding Red Bull personnel wanting to join other teams:
"The two candidates involved talk a lot. I'm not going to get sucked in for a tit for tat. I would be more focused on Toto's own issues that he has. I don't have any concern with the strength and depth [of Red Bull],"
"Of course there is always going to be movement between teams. I don't know how many people we have employed by McLaren this year? Mercedes, we have taken 220 people. 220 out of HPP into Red Bull powertrains."
"So when we are talking about losing people, I would be more worried than about the 220 people, than one or two CVs."
Why would they not mention it? They mentioned the hole they found.Cs98 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 10:39 amLooking at the telemetry it looks like Perez was consistently 3-5kph faster down all three DRS straights, in free air. As far as I can tell they were running the exact same wing levels, beam wing and all. Maybe there is something to that rumoured engine issue from the sprint.
Well I can't read their minds but the telemetry is obvious. Here I found a couple of laps when they were both in free air and not defending during the middle of the race. Perez white linesFittingMechanics wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 11:08 amWhy would they not mention it? They mentioned the hole they found.Cs98 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 10:39 amLooking at the telemetry it looks like Perez was consistently 3-5kph faster down all three DRS straights, in free air. As far as I can tell they were running the exact same wing levels, beam wing and all. Maybe there is something to that rumoured engine issue from the sprint.
Difference in straight line speed can easily be explained by Red Bull expecting Perez to have to fight and overtake (or defend). Verstappen usually is fast enough to pull away and thus maximizes lap time - not overtake ability.
What is obvious is that Verstappen was faster than Perez in almost all examples you showed. So the tradeoff was there. Verstappen was faster in the corners but slower on the straights or otherwise, he wouldn't end up faster than Perez in those laps.Cs98 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 11:51 amWell I can't read their minds but the telemetry is obvious. Here I found a couple of laps when they were both in free air and not defending during the middle of the race. Perez white lines
https://i.imgur.com/p6Uh6Fx.png
Here towards the end of the race, no one within 3 seconds ahead. There is no trade-off, he's just much faster on all the big straights and losing next to nothing in terms of power in the slower sections.
https://i.imgur.com/dqm3r3w.png
Basically all the laps that are comparable in terms of free air look like this or similar. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less, but always around 3-5 kph in favour of Checo on the big straights with no significant losses anywhere else. In terms of time, 2-3 tenths every lap just on those three straights.
If those figures are true then that is pretty difficult for HPP going forward (assuming they're all "top" people, of course).Dunlay wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 9:37 amhttps://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... o-mercedes
Wow!!! 220 people hired from Mercedes HPP into RBPT.Christian Horner hits back at Zak Brown and Toto Wolff's comments regarding Red Bull personnel wanting to join other teams:
"The two candidates involved talk a lot. I'm not going to get sucked in for a tit for tat. I would be more focused on Toto's own issues that he has. I don't have any concern with the strength and depth [of Red Bull],"
"Of course there is always going to be movement between teams. I don't know how many people we have employed by McLaren this year? Mercedes, we have taken 220 people. 220 out of HPP into Red Bull powertrains."
"So when we are talking about losing people, I would be more worried than about the 220 people, than one or two CVs."
Now I wonder if Mercedes is going to have a competitive engine for 2026!
Now you are trying to conflate overall lap times with PU performance, but there's far more variables in terms of overall lap time. In terms of a PU trade-off you'd have to point to where Verstappen is getting all this extra PU performance he is giving up on the straights. You don't need it in the corners on this track, you are not power limited there, so where is it?FittingMechanics wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 1:00 pmWhat is obvious is that Verstappen was faster than Perez in almost all examples you showed. So the tradeoff was there. Verstappen was faster in the corners but slower on the straights or otherwise, he wouldn't end up faster than Perez in those laps.Cs98 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 11:51 amWell I can't read their minds but the telemetry is obvious. Here I found a couple of laps when they were both in free air and not defending during the middle of the race. Perez white lines
https://i.imgur.com/p6Uh6Fx.png
Here towards the end of the race, no one within 3 seconds ahead. There is no trade-off, he's just much faster on all the big straights and losing next to nothing in terms of power in the slower sections.
https://i.imgur.com/dqm3r3w.png
Basically all the laps that are comparable in terms of free air look like this or similar. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less, but always around 3-5 kph in favour of Checo on the big straights with no significant losses anywhere else. In terms of time, 2-3 tenths every lap just on those three straights.
I think it is very unlikely they would hide "Verstappen engine was low on power" but would go out of their way to talk about diffusor damage when he went over the kerb. They don't have to protect or ego manage a weak engine supplier.
I think, though I accept it probably continued the tit for tat Horner was just pointing out staff move between teams all the time. Using the turmoil at RB to try and destabilise us a little different. Though I do probably accept Horner isn’t exactly a saint when it comes to digs at other teams should the opportunity ariseJust_a_fan wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 1:30 pmIf those figures are true then that is pretty difficult for HPP going forward (assuming they're all "top" people, of course).Dunlay wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 9:37 amhttps://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... o-mercedes
Wow!!! 220 people hired from Mercedes HPP into RBPT.Christian Horner hits back at Zak Brown and Toto Wolff's comments regarding Red Bull personnel wanting to join other teams:
"The two candidates involved talk a lot. I'm not going to get sucked in for a tit for tat. I would be more focused on Toto's own issues that he has. I don't have any concern with the strength and depth [of Red Bull],"
"Of course there is always going to be movement between teams. I don't know how many people we have employed by McLaren this year? Mercedes, we have taken 220 people. 220 out of HPP into Red Bull powertrains."
"So when we are talking about losing people, I would be more worried than about the 220 people, than one or two CVs."
Now I wonder if Mercedes is going to have a competitive engine for 2026!
But I did smile at Horner's "I'm not going to get sucked in for a tit for tat" before do precisely that (with a mic-drop figure, admittedly).