Concept power units from 2030

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wuzak wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:52 pm
with the 2026 PUs having a 4 year development time, it is unlikely that they will be replaced before 2035.
Most likely, so let's go with 2035 then.

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2026 PUs will likely receive so much backlash they will not last long. they will return to an "archaic" ICE + lesser forms of hybridization

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Nothing new, in fact more of the same doom and gloom. The exact same stuff that was pushed out and thrown about during the years leading to the back than new to be introduced 1.6l turbo PU.

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saviour stivala wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:07 pm
Nothing new, in fact more of the same doom and gloom. The exact same stuff that was pushed out and thrown about during the years leading to the back than new to be introduced 1.6l turbo PU.
I really hope they won't continue with the V6 after 15/20 years.

Hopefully, they come up with something else.

Edit: On the other hand, why invest in combustion engines when the entire vehicle fleet is moving towards EVs anyway. It would indeed be better to invest more in the electric components and lighter materials.

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DenBommer wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2024 8:15 am
saviour stivala wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:07 pm
Nothing new, in fact more of the same doom and gloom. The exact same stuff that was pushed out and thrown about during the years leading to the back than new to be introduced 1.6l turbo PU.
I really hope they won't continue with the V6 after 15/20 years.

Hopefully, they come up with something else.

Edit: On the other hand, why invest in combustion engines when the entire vehicle fleet is moving towards EVs anyway. It would indeed be better to invest more in the electric components and lighter materials.
cause after a decade of shoving EVs into people’s face, they are still less that 1% of registered cars in the US, and sales declining everywhere. It might still not be enough for “environmentalists” but by 2028-2030 it will be very clear they are a failure (comparing to what media wanted people to believe) It is unrealistic to expect any change of this trend, much less to say “the entire fleet will be electric”

EVs might work for small towns or housewives, but not for the rest of population/jobs. we might see an all diesel fleet maybe, but never full electric

so instead of catering to a niche market, why not return to a proper engine, put a kers on it and call it a day.

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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-re ... /10611068/

The FOM's CEO Stefano Domenicali suggests that a new formula could be had from 2030.

I'm not sure that the manufcaturers woudl be too enthusiastic about that.
With F1 chiefs and the FIA close to finalising the 2026 chassis and power unit regulations over the next few weeks
Not sure how much involvement FOM has had in the rules making process, but it should be none.

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V12-POWER wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:51 pm
2026 PUs will likely receive so much backlash they will not last long. they will return to an "archaic" ICE + lesser forms of hybridization
They can play with the fuel flow and ERS energy flows to get the desired result.

That could be done with the sme hardware.

For instance, the fuel flow could be raised 25%, to take ICE power from ~535hp to ~ 670hp (and more noise), and reduce the MGUK maximum output from 350kW to 250kW (470hp to 335hp) while still maintaining 350kW recovery and, roughly, the same overall outout.

They could also ditch the ERS, up the fuel flow on the turbo V6 to give ~800hp, and allow using fuel for anti-lag, and save ~80-100kg in the process (though it is the ERS side that attracts the manufacturers).

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V12-POWER wrote:
Wed May 15, 2024 11:36 am
EVs might work for small towns or housewives, but not for the rest of population/jobs. we might see an all diesel fleet maybe, but never full electric
Love that word "never". :lol:
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https://www.ecoticias.com/en/hydrogen-e ... ging/1826/


Maybe they should take a look at this Ferrari patent for powertrains from 2030.

If I understand correctly, they're saying in this article that they would use this internal combustion engine more as a "generator."

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Waffle.
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The fans want noise but the drivers like lighter car, like they weight back in the 90s.

So how about again a V6 1.6 Turbo running at 18000rpm with wastegate wide open

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What about a 1.5L supercharged i5 with VLIM, VLEM and TJI on synth fuel?

V10 sound, high rpm, good fuel economy, and torque modification with the VL's!

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I say it each time to no avail, but will say it again just in case. I do not want them to be told they must have this thing, just a list of parameters and what they specifically can not have.
There could still be the standardisation of mount points etc, for universal use and so a runaway winner would not rule its self out of the market for all, but other than that, if its worth a shot, let it run

The list of course would contain disallowed materials for health reasons and some sort of limiting factor of what it "eats" but I would like everything else to be at least worth considering.
More over, I would like to see some relaxation of rules like weight or recovery rate for new technologies until they mature and become competitive in their own right.

Not going to happen, but we can dream.
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wuzak wrote:
Wed May 15, 2024 11:53 am
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-re ... /10611068/

The FOM's CEO Stefano Domenicali suggests that a new formula could be had from 2030.

I'm not sure that the manufcaturers woudl be too enthusiastic about that.
With F1 chiefs and the FIA close to finalising the 2026 chassis and power unit regulations over the next few weeks
Not sure how much involvement FOM has had in the rules making process, but it should be none.
Domenicali says in this article about possible alternative options for louder engines. What could these options possibly be?