2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

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SilviuAgo wrote:
26 May 2024, 18:36
So this weekend was P2 in F2, P2 in Formula E, P2 in F1 and wondering what will follow in Indy500 😄 For the moment the race is under threat due to rain.
Let's hope not P2.

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FittingMechanics wrote:
26 May 2024, 18:38
SilviuAgo wrote:
26 May 2024, 18:36
So this weekend was P2 in F2, P2 in Formula E, P2 in F1 and wondering what will follow in Indy500 😄 For the moment the race is under threat due to rain.
Let's hope not P2.
😄😄😄

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With how close things are looking now, I think the car is good enough to fight it out with both Ferrari and RedBull (on a good day). I would expect Silverstone to be the next race where they bring upgrades.

It makes sense, logistically, and it's also where rivals are rumored to bring pats as well. If they can do one better and bring them in Austria again, then that would be great. I have a feeling this next raft of updates will be extremely important for the remaining half of the season.

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Emag wrote:
26 May 2024, 18:48
With how close things are looking now, I think the car is good enough to fight it out with both Ferrari and RedBull (on a good day). I would expect Silverstone to be the next race where they bring upgrades.

It makes sense, logistically, and it's also where rivals are rumored to bring pats as well. If they can do one better and bring them in Austria again, then that would be great. I have a feeling this next raft of updates will be extremely important for the remaining half of the season.
Did you really admit it? :lol: And you said that McLaren would be slow in the corners.

Papaya has reached a competitive plateau. There is no doubt that this will continue until the end of the season.

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Overall great result, even tho SAI got super luck to be reinstated as 3rd again on the restart, if that was not the case I think we would have won on strategy. A bit sad that Ferrari used a anti-racing strategy today, but it was the right move for them so at the end kudos to them today.
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LionsHeart wrote:
26 May 2024, 18:53
Emag wrote:
26 May 2024, 18:48
With how close things are looking now, I think the car is good enough to fight it out with both Ferrari and RedBull (on a good day). I would expect Silverstone to be the next race where they bring upgrades.

It makes sense, logistically, and it's also where rivals are rumored to bring pats as well. If they can do one better and bring them in Austria again, then that would be great. I have a feeling this next raft of updates will be extremely important for the remaining half of the season.
Did you really admit it? :lol: And you said that McLaren would be slow in the corners.

Papaya has reached a competitive plateau. There is no doubt that this will continue until the end of the season.
I think its fair to say Ferrari had a margin here. Car is good, but Ferrari is better on those sections. Doesnt mean McLaren can't beat them on more normal tracks. And RedBull doesn't stop being the benchmark just because they had a bad one here.

I expect to see them very competitive in Canada again.

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Emag wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:15
LionsHeart wrote:
26 May 2024, 18:53
Emag wrote:
26 May 2024, 18:48
With how close things are looking now, I think the car is good enough to fight it out with both Ferrari and RedBull (on a good day). I would expect Silverstone to be the next race where they bring upgrades.

It makes sense, logistically, and it's also where rivals are rumored to bring pats as well. If they can do one better and bring them in Austria again, then that would be great. I have a feeling this next raft of updates will be extremely important for the remaining half of the season.
Did you really admit it? :lol: And you said that McLaren would be slow in the corners.

Papaya has reached a competitive plateau. There is no doubt that this will continue until the end of the season.
I think its fair to say Ferrari had a margin here. Car is good, but Ferrari is better on those sections. Doesnt mean McLaren can't beat them on more normal tracks. And RedBull doesn't stop being the benchmark just because they had a bad one here.

I expect to see them very competitive in Canada again.
How can you say that with confidence? Piastri would be on pole with his best sectors and in the race, no one was at the limit.

Without that pole, it is likely a clean McLaren victory.

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Does anybody know if AMuS is reliable, specifically Michael Schmidt? Just saw a post on the AMR thread that was speculating on Newey's next move. It stated that he's been contacted by Williams and McLaren, and Ferrari are no longer interested in his services.

EDIT: Of course also mentioned strong interest from AMR.
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FittingMechanics wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:21
Emag wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:15
LionsHeart wrote:
26 May 2024, 18:53


Did you really admit it? :lol: And you said that McLaren would be slow in the corners.

Papaya has reached a competitive plateau. There is no doubt that this will continue until the end of the season.
I think its fair to say Ferrari had a margin here. Car is good, but Ferrari is better on those sections. Doesnt mean McLaren can't beat them on more normal tracks. And RedBull doesn't stop being the benchmark just because they had a bad one here.

I expect to see them very competitive in Canada again.
How can you say that with confidence? Piastri would be on pole with his best sectors and in the race, no one was at the limit.

Without that pole, it is likely a clean McLaren victory.
Well based on Leclerc's performance all weekend, I'd agree Ferrari were better here. I don't know if anyone has taken a close look at Leclerc's pole lap, it's possible he didn't string in his best possible lap as well.
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Ground Effect wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:33
FittingMechanics wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:21
Emag wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:15


I think its fair to say Ferrari had a margin here. Car is good, but Ferrari is better on those sections. Doesnt mean McLaren can't beat them on more normal tracks. And RedBull doesn't stop being the benchmark just because they had a bad one here.

I expect to see them very competitive in Canada again.
How can you say that with confidence? Piastri would be on pole with his best sectors and in the race, no one was at the limit.

Without that pole, it is likely a clean McLaren victory.
Well based on Leclerc's performance all weekend, I'd agree Ferrari were better here. I don't know if anyone has taken a close look at Leclerc's pole lap, it's possible he didn't string in his best possible lap as well.
Leclerc did 3 best sectors on his pole lap.
I think Sainz did as well.

With best sector times, Piastri would be P1 and Norris P3. Those are facts from the qualy.

What was ultimate race pace is impossible to say as they were all holding back except Piastri when his tires went away at the end. But in no way can you say Ferrari was clearly faster. This is a race of qualy and Leclerc managed to nail the lap.

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Ground Effect wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:29
Does anybody know if AMuS is reliable, specifically Michael Schmidt? Just saw a post on the AMR thread that was speculating on Newey's next move. It stated that he's been contacted by Williams and McLaren, and Ferrari are no longer interested in his services.

EDIT: Of course also mentioned strong interest from AMR.
AMuS is usually good.

I still think Newey to McLaren is an option that makes sense and it seemed that Jordan was either hinting it or had a slip up.

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FittingMechanics wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:38
With best sector times, Piastri would be P1 and Norris P3. Those are facts from the qualy.
That still leaves a scenario were Piastri pushed tyres just a bit too hard in final S2 and lost some grip in S3 as a result. Achieving best theoretical lap and actually stringing 3 personal best sectors in one lap are two different things, these Pirellis are sadly so freaking sensitive and borderline unraceable...
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Emag wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:15
LionsHeart wrote:
26 May 2024, 18:53
Emag wrote:
26 May 2024, 18:48
With how close things are looking now, I think the car is good enough to fight it out with both Ferrari and RedBull (on a good day). I would expect Silverstone to be the next race where they bring upgrades.

It makes sense, logistically, and it's also where rivals are rumored to bring pats as well. If they can do one better and bring them in Austria again, then that would be great. I have a feeling this next raft of updates will be extremely important for the remaining half of the season.
Did you really admit it? :lol: And you said that McLaren would be slow in the corners.

Papaya has reached a competitive plateau. There is no doubt that this will continue until the end of the season.
I think its fair to say Ferrari had a margin here. Car is good, but Ferrari is better on those sections. Doesnt mean McLaren can't beat them on more normal tracks. And RedBull doesn't stop being the benchmark just because they had a bad one here.

I expect to see them very competitive in Canada again.
To be honest, I didn’t see the advantage of Ferrari here. The teams were comparable. The racers themselves decided in qualifying. By sector, I didn’t see where McLaren lost to Ferrari. This is why I told you that Australia may not be indicative. But I have nothing against your cautious opinion. That was common sense on your part.

The density in the top3 has increased. This is very good. Now the driver's role has increased. This is the best season so far with the new regulations.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:46
FittingMechanics wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:38
With best sector times, Piastri would be P1 and Norris P3. Those are facts from the qualy.
That still leaves a scenario were Piastri pushed tyres just a bit too hard in final S2 and lost some grip in S3 as a result. Achieving best theoretical lap and actually stringing 3 personal best sectors in one lap are two different things, these Pirellis are sadly so freaking sensitive and borderline unraceable...
True, it is possible that is true. Still it is so borderline that no one can say with confidence anyone had a margin here. No one pulled away, no one domimated.

Slightly better VER setup and we may have had his victory.

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LionsHeart wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:46
Emag wrote:
26 May 2024, 19:15
LionsHeart wrote:
26 May 2024, 18:53


Did you really admit it? :lol: And you said that McLaren would be slow in the corners.

Papaya has reached a competitive plateau. There is no doubt that this will continue until the end of the season.
I think its fair to say Ferrari had a margin here. Car is good, but Ferrari is better on those sections. Doesnt mean McLaren can't beat them on more normal tracks. And RedBull doesn't stop being the benchmark just because they had a bad one here.

I expect to see them very competitive in Canada again.
To be honest, I didn’t see the advantage of Ferrari here. The teams were comparable. The racers themselves decided in qualifying. By sector, I didn’t see where McLaren lost to Ferrari. This is why I told you that Australia may not be indicative. But I have nothing against your cautious opinion. That was common sense on your part.

The density in the top3 has increased. This is very good. Now the driver's role has increased. This is the best season so far with the new regulations.
Sainz had more left in his tyres by the end, he was pushing Piastri and had much more time in him than the Mclarens. Norris had no answer either and was largely unable to pressure or even catch Sainz at this point, despite having been able to manage his tyres more than Sainz or Piastri. That doesn't mean it would be the same if there had been a pit. But in the circumstances the Ferrari had more pace.
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