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Is Bottas loosing his Audi seat because of those butt pictures?

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FW17 wrote:Is Bottas loosing his Audi seat because of those butt pictures?
He has said that it wouldn't have been tolerated at Merc, so I wouldn't be surprised if Audi doesn't like that clowning either. I'm just wondering why he's doing it if he knows that big teams don't like it.

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Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:52 am
FW17 wrote:Is Bottas loosing his Audi seat because of those butt pictures?
He has said that it wouldn't have been tolerated at Merc, so I wouldn't be surprised if Audi doesn't like that clowning either. I'm just wondering why he's doing it if he knows that big teams don't like it.
Bottas is a good driver, but for some reason he is not top of list at Williams

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FW17 wrote:
Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:52 am
FW17 wrote:Is Bottas loosing his Audi seat because of those butt pictures?
He has said that it wouldn't have been tolerated at Merc, so I wouldn't be surprised if Audi doesn't like that clowning either. I'm just wondering why he's doing it if he knows that big teams don't like it.
Bottas is a good driver, but for some reason he is not top of list at Williams
If Williams is as delusional as Mercedes with their Verstappen hunt, then Williams thinks they deserve Sainz, not Bottas. Bottas should be the top pick for Haas, as he is good and keeps the car in one piece.

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FW17 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2024 7:45 am
Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:52 am
FW17 wrote:Is Bottas loosing his Audi seat because of those butt pictures?
He has said that it wouldn't have been tolerated at Merc, so I wouldn't be surprised if Audi doesn't like that clowning either. I'm just wondering why he's doing it if he knows that big teams don't like it.
Bottas is a good driver, but for some reason he is not top of list at Williams
The big question is: What is the list of Williams? What is relevant to Williams?
They made a good deal (mostly by accident?) with Albon. But besides this, they are repeating torturing a driver until he does not want to drive anymore again. They did the same with Latifi, but at least got money for torturing him.
So what is their strategy? They are verbally supporting Sargeant, but at the same time it is clear they want Sainz? Who would be stupid to choose his worst option?

Strategy wise there is something really strange going on. Not only at Williams of course.
But I would exclude Haas. They still have the back marker attitude, I do not see their driver discissions as being performance driven.
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Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2024 8:39 am
FW17 wrote:
Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:52 am
He has said that it wouldn't have been tolerated at Merc, so I wouldn't be surprised if Audi doesn't like that clowning either. I'm just wondering why he's doing it if he knows that big teams don't like it.
Bottas is a good driver, but for some reason he is not top of list at Williams
If Williams is as delusional as Mercedes with their Verstappen hunt, then Williams thinks they deserve Sainz, not Bottas. Bottas should be the top pick for Haas, as he is good and keeps the car in one piece.
Is Sainz and Bottas rated same?

Bottas is a better qualifier for sure, and both have about the same race performance. Sainz probably has a better racecraft in battles, but he is also going to be second guessing the team (may have worked at Ferrari when the strategy team was all at sea sometimes) but could be quiet counterproductive in a regular setup.

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FW17 wrote:
Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2024 8:39 am
FW17 wrote: Bottas is a good driver, but for some reason he is not top of list at Williams
If Williams is as delusional as Mercedes with their Verstappen hunt, then Williams thinks they deserve Sainz, not Bottas. Bottas should be the top pick for Haas, as he is good and keeps the car in one piece.
Is Sainz and Bottas rated same?

Bottas is a better qualifier for sure, and both have about the same race performance. Sainz probably has a better racecraft in battles, but he is also going to be second guessing the team (may have worked at Ferrari when the strategy team was all at sea sometimes) but could be quiet counterproductive in a regular setup.
I would say Sainz is more highly rated than Bottas. Bottas is a sensitive overtaker and easily bypassed, but Sainz has an arrogance in battles. Bottas has driven against Zhou for the past three years quite well, but a pay driver is still a pay driver. Sainz, on the other hand, has a good record against Leclerc.

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FW17 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2024 7:45 am
Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:52 am
FW17 wrote:Is Bottas loosing his Audi seat because of those butt pictures?
He has said that it wouldn't have been tolerated at Merc, so I wouldn't be surprised if Audi doesn't like that clowning either. I'm just wondering why he's doing it if he knows that big teams don't like it.
Bottas is a good driver, but for some reason he is not top of list at Williams
He was there for four years before he got promoted to Merc.

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Bearman / Ocon duo at Haas likely

Ricciardo OR Lawson decision needs to be made by September as that is when Red bull's option on Lawson expires

Sainz contract offer from Williams is attractive: 4-year contract but with the option to leave after two years (if the proposed plan of Vowles/Williams/sponsors don‘t become reality, Sainz has the option leave without any problems)

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vid ... midt-2024/

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organic wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:41 am
Bearman / Ocon duo at Haas likely

Ricciardo OR Lawson decision needs to be made by September as that is when Red bull's option on Lawson expires

Sainz contract offer from Williams is attractive: 4-year contract but with the option to leave after two years (if the proposed plan of Vowles/Williams/sponsors don‘t become reality, Sainz has the option leave without any problems)

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vid ... midt-2024/
Bearman -
2020 F4 - 10th, 2021 F4 - 1st
2022 F3 - 3rd
2023 F2 - 6th 2024 F2 - 19th

Why is he a shoe in for F1 while Théo Pourchaire and Felipe Drugovich have not been considered
Ferrari Acadamy is no indication of talent, they had Esteban Gutiérrez as one if its stars.

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We live in a world of recency bias, so Bearman’s stint at Saudi, along with the power of the British media bias towards him, was always going to get him into F1.

As for Sainz, he’s got nowhere else to go, apart from an equally unappealing, Audi, so it’s become quite embarrassing for him in all honesty. Williams, being a customer team, with the ruling around engine/chassis for 26’, is not an attractive option, and he knows it, hence the get out clause.
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FW17 wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:54 am
organic wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:41 am
Bearman / Ocon duo at Haas likely

Ricciardo OR Lawson decision needs to be made by September as that is when Red bull's option on Lawson expires

Sainz contract offer from Williams is attractive: 4-year contract but with the option to leave after two years (if the proposed plan of Vowles/Williams/sponsors don‘t become reality, Sainz has the option leave without any problems)

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vid ... midt-2024/
Bearman -
2020 F4 - 10th, 2021 F4 - 1st
2022 F3 - 3rd
2023 F2 - 6th 2024 F2 - 19th

Why is he a shoe in for F1 while Théo Pourchaire and Felipe Drugovich have not been considered
Ferrari Acadamy is no indication of talent, they had Esteban Gutiérrez as one if its stars.
The last 5 years of F2 -> F1 promotions indicate that F2 performance isn't really indicative of how highly a junior gets rated by driver academies

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organic wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:41 am
Bearman / Ocon duo at Haas likely
So Mercedes won't take Ocon for one year after all? :(

I think Sainz should consider a nice one year Alpine-Renault deal too... Seems better than a 2+2 year Williams deal IMO.