Ferrari 412T2 engine

[Belatti]

I would like any of you put all information you all know about the V12 engine of the 1995 Ferrari 412T2.

He´s a pic of the car:


and one of the engine:


Video of the engine "screaming":
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwmvVWSvSpg[/youtube]

[Scotracer]

Still one of my all-time favourite race cars

[Giblet]

Here is a nice HQ audio file of.... it's a rapidshare dl, just pick free user wait 90 seconds and download.

Turn your speakers way up.

V12 Scream

[Jersey Tom]

Those yellow letter slicks are lookin nice.

[xpensive]

The way I remember, the 1995 engine was regardless of sound no match for the Renaults of Benetton and Williams, despite the help from x-Honda man Osamo Goto.

I think some nasty people actually referred to the 412T as a "Ferrari-Honda"?

[Scotracer]

The way I remember, the 1995 engine was regardless of sound no match for the Renaults of Benetton and Williams, despite the help from x-Honda man Osamo Goto.

I think some nasty people actually referred to the 412T as a "Ferrari-Honda"?

The Ferrari V12s always suffered from bad fuel economy and poor torque characteristics. But boy did they chuck out the big HP figures.

[scarbs]

IIRC it was a heavy old lump too, with a thin wall steel cast block. Which was a leftover process from the turbo days. This excess weight in the rear of the car, lead Barnard to look into lighter gearbox solutions, such as the complex fabricated Ti case and carbonfibre bellhousing. I also saw at the factory a fabricated Ti engine block. Each cylinder was made up of machined Ti pieces and then the whole lot welded up, this was a way to lighten the block before the cast aluminium versions came along.

I recall seeing Alesi qualify this car\engine in the wet, one rear wheel ran along the exit kerbs for a couel of hundred metres thriottle wide open, engine howling, no electronics intervening.. WOW..

[ISLAMATRON]

The only V-12 in the field, when the V-10 was obviously the best compromise at the time, 1 (lucky) win over the entire season compared to 16 for the Renault.

[Belatti]

The reason why I created this thread is the following:

OBSESIÓN. Uno de los responsables de los impulsores Renault -que pidió reserva- comento lo siguiente: “Nosotros tenemos 300 personas trabajando para el motor de Fórmula 1, de las cuales 100 son proyectistas. Ferrari tiene 30 en total para todo y los resultados son asombrosos... Ese sistema de trompetas que se alargan y ensanchan con las revoluciones del motor, tiene a más de uno de nosotros sin dormir. Hay que sacarse el sombrero... Lo mismo con la inyección y otras soluciones. Cuando vemos a un mecánico de Ferrari acelerando el auto por control remoto en los boxes y esas trompetitas que danzan ante nuestros ojos, bueno...”

http://www.f1-web.com.ar/argentina95.htm

This is an article that I read in an Argentinean motorsport magazine (CORSA) after the 1995 Buenos Aires GP.

The translation would be the following:

OBSESSION: One of the responsible of the Renault engines -he asked strictest confidence- commented: "We have 300 persons working in the F1 engine, 100 are designers. Ferrari has got 30 persons for everything and the results are amazing... that system of trumpets that get long and wide with the rpm, has got more than one of us without sleep. Hats off to Ferrari... the same with the injection and other solutions. When we see a Ferrari mechanic accelerating with remote control in the pits and those little trumpets dance before our eyes, well..."

[Belatti]

ISLAMATRON, aside from the technical features -wich is more important than the rest to me- I searched for this old magazine article after we were discussing here:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7425&start=15

I dont think FIAT was spending much money there, a 30 person engine department says it all. Always rememeber that Ferrari was in essence a racing team that sold street cars with the one and only purpose of financing its racing team.

Thats the way I would like to see F1 again. Independant teams, maybe manufacturer partnerships for specific developments or collaboration, but no more than that.

Now, lets keep this thread technical, please. [-o<

[Jersey Tom]

The reason why I created this thread is the following:

OBSESIÓN. Uno de los responsables de los impulsores Renault -que pidió reserva- comento lo siguiente: “Nosotros tenemos 300 personas trabajando para el motor de Fórmula 1, de las cuales 100 son proyectistas. Ferrari tiene 30 en total para todo y los resultados son asombrosos... Ese sistema de trompetas que se alargan y ensanchan con las revoluciones del motor, tiene a más de uno de nosotros sin dormir. Hay que sacarse el sombrero... Lo mismo con la inyección y otras soluciones. Cuando vemos a un mecánico de Ferrari acelerando el auto por control remoto en los boxes y esas trompetitas que danzan ante nuestros ojos, bueno...”

http://www.f1-web.com.ar/argentina95.htm

This is an article that I read in an Argentinean motorsport magazine (CORSA) after the 1995 Buenos Aires GP.

The translation would be the following:

OBSESSION: One of the responsible of the Renault engines -he asked strictest confidence- commented: "We have 300 persons working in the F1 engine, 100 are designers. Ferrari has got 30 persons for everything and the results are amazing... that system of trumpets that get long and wide with the rpm, has got more than one of us without sleep. Hats off to Ferrari... the same with the injection and other solutions. When we see a Ferrari mechanic accelerating with remote control in the pits and those little trumpets dance before our eyes, well..."

That's good. Uncannily similar to something closer to my own experience..

[xpensive]

A total of only 30 individuals in the entire Ferrari engine department in 1995, while they were developing the V10 for 1996? I find that difficult to believe. Besides, I doubt if Schumacher had jumped from Benetton-Renault to Ferrari with those odds.

Thats the way I would like to see F1 again. Independant teams, maybe manufacturer partnerships for specific developments or collaboration, but no more than that.

Now, lets keep this thread technical, please. [-o<

Ferrari being a non-manufacturer team?

[Belatti]

It was early 1995, he could have been talking about 1994 engine department.

Now =;

[xpensive]

No way Gaucho, you brought it up!
If my memory serves me well, Ferrari actually had three different engine-design departments during those years, simultaneously looking at V8, V10 as well as V12 configurations. Can you confirm this Scarbs?

[Carlos]

I remember the most distinctive feature of that motor was it's 5 valve head design.