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Personally I was very motivated to see Lawson in F1. But after this race and later seeing Lawson give Perez the middle finger...
I completely lost the respect I had for him.

I agree as well. First disrespecting Alonso and then Perez. The guy is not nearly as good as he thinks of himself.

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Personally I was very motivated to see Lawson in F1. But after this race and later seeing Lawson give Perez the middle finger...
I completely lost the respect I had for him.

I agree as well. First disrespecting Alonso and then Perez. The guy is not nearly as good as he thinks of himself.

He didn't do anything wrong in either case on track tbf. Alonso and Perez just didn't enjoy getting outraced and were the ones who could've from their position of experience been the better men but they'd rather start a war of words off track.

When other drivers have come into the sport and ruffled feathers of veterans similarly, they get over it

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Personally I was very motivated to see Lawson in F1. But after this race and later seeing Lawson give Perez the middle finger...
I completely lost the respect I had for him.

I agree as well. First disrespecting Alonso and then Perez. The guy is not nearly as good as he thinks of himself.

He didn't do anything wrong in either case on track tbf. Alonso and Perez just didn't enjoy getting outraced and were the ones who could've from their position of experience been the better men

He made a mess with Alonso from the beginning of the race in Austin, not just that one incident everyone talked about. In Mexico, I'm referring to the middle finger to another Red Bull driver. This stuff is very strange. He's overcompensating for someone who just arrived to start their season. Colapinto easily left a better impression without all the antics. I'd rather see Colapinto or Sainz in the Red Bull.

I also just don't like how this all went down with Ricciardo exiting suddenly. Lawson is not as innocent as some want to think. There's a bad feeling here and I'm suspicious of him.

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I agree as well. First disrespecting Alonso and then Perez. The guy is not nearly as good as he thinks of himself.

He didn't do anything wrong in either case on track tbf. Alonso and Perez just didn't enjoy getting outraced and were the ones who could've from their position of experience been the better men

He made a mess with Alonso from the beginning of the race in Austin, not just that one incident everyone talked about. In Mexico, I'm referring to the middle finger to another Red Bull driver. This stuff is very strange. He's overcompensating for someone who just arrived to start their season. Colapinto easily left a better impression without all the antics. I'd rather see Colapinto or Sainz in the Red Bull.

I also just don't like how this all went down with Ricciardo exiting suddenly. Lawson is not as innocent as some want to think. There's a bad feeling here and I'm suspicious of him.

What? Ricciardo has been subpar for 18 months; if anything ricciardo's exit was far overdue and not at all sudden? Also how can Lawson be a guilty party in that, given the reason was simply lack of performance?

They want to replace Perez and Ricciardo wasn't good enough for that so they had to get Lawson in to compare with Tsunoda to see who can replace Perez. To do that means Ricciardo had to vacate asap

Given the Ricciardo resurrection experiment failed spectacularly, it actually just wasted 18 months of Lawson's career on the sidelines from his perspective.

Also I suspect a large factor in Liam's attitude being different to most rookies is that he's raced 3 seasons outside of junior racing in dtm and super formula. So he's probably less intimidated and I can imagine frustrated about being treated as the rookie again

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Personally I was very motivated to see Lawson in F1. But after this race and later seeing Lawson give Perez the middle finger...
I completely lost the respect I had for him.

I agree as well. First disrespecting Alonso and then Perez. The guy is not nearly as good as he thinks of himself.

He didn't do anything wrong in either case on track tbf. Alonso and Perez just didn't enjoy getting outraced and were the ones who could've from their position of experience been the better men but they'd rather start a war of words off track.

When other drivers have come into the sport and ruffled feathers of veterans similarly, they get over it

I don't think Marko was too happy with it. He blamed Lawson for the incident. The move itself I didn't mind but the middle finger to Perez wasn't great.

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Personally I was very motivated to see Lawson in F1. But after this race and later seeing Lawson give Perez the middle finger...
I completely lost the respect I had for him.

I agree as well. First disrespecting Alonso and then Perez. The guy is not nearly as good as he thinks of himself.

He didn't do anything wrong in either case on track tbf. Alonso and Perez just didn't enjoy getting outraced and were the ones who could've from their position of experience been the better men but they'd rather start a war of words off track.

When other drivers have come into the sport and ruffled feathers of veterans similarly, they get over it

That's pure narrative. I watched the onboards of Alonso and Lawson for several laps at Austin, and several times he chopped in front of Alonso in the middle of corner transitions in S3, almost taking off Alonso's front wing. The only reason there wasn't contact was because of Alonso backing off. It was unnecessary aggression for 15th place in a sprint race.

Lawson is very pretentious with his attitude.

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I agree as well. First disrespecting Alonso and then Perez. The guy is not nearly as good as he thinks of himself.

He didn't do anything wrong in either case on track tbf. Alonso and Perez just didn't enjoy getting outraced and were the ones who could've from their position of experience been the better men but they'd rather start a war of words off track.

When other drivers have come into the sport and ruffled feathers of veterans similarly, they get over it

That's pure narrative. I watched the onboards of Alonso and Lawson for several laps at Austin, and several times he chopped in front of Alonso in the middle of corner transitions in S3, almost taking off Alonso's front wing. The only reason there wasn't contact was because of Alonso backing off. It was unnecessary aggression for 15th place in a sprint race.

Lawson is very pretentious with his attitude.

No, that is good racing. We saw so many drivers simply sleeping in S3 and getting overtaken on the inside. You simply need to defend the inside there.
The opposite could be seen, when Ocon passed Alo and Law, due to the error, Law could not defend the inside.

Why do people here think that defending the inside is poor driving?

Personally I was very motivated to see Lawson in F1. But after this race and later seeing Lawson give Perez the middle finger...
I completely lost the respect I had for him.

I agree as well. First disrespecting Alonso and then Perez. The guy is not nearly as good as he thinks of himself.

I agree, that the middle finger is definitely not the right thing. He is in danger, similar to Yuki, to completely loose his head on rants like that. He should concentrate.

But for racing: In both cases, Alo and Per, would have had the chance to simply overtake him on a DRS straight, but could not get their exits together. Poor racing.
Instead both tried to push past a rookie in an infield fight because...no idea why...but with 90% of the drivers they would either not try or not dare to try this.
So I am a bit surprised, that they even speak up because of poor overtaking attempts, that only work on maybe a Hulkenberg, who has no other agenda but keeping the car in one piece.

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No, that is good racing. We saw so many drivers simply sleeping in S3 and getting overtaken on the inside. You simply need to defend the inside there.
The opposite could be seen, when Ocon passed Alo and Law, due to the error, Law could not defend the inside.

Why do people here think that defending the inside is poor driving?

Strawman argument. I said there were risky chops that happened over several laps. They were not shown on TV, and I can understand Alonso's built-up frustration over them. Why are you referencing only the switchback you saw on the replay as the basis for your conclusion? Oh yes, Alonso was mad because he was "schooled" in how to drive.

But for racing: In both cases, Alo and Per, would have had the chance to simply overtake him on a DRS straight, but could not get their exits together. Poor racing.

Alonso's updated car had no traction in Austin, especially off turn 11. The team reverted to the older spec car for Mexico because the Austin updates were a failure. I'm sure Alonso could have easily passed Lawson on the straight if he simply drove better. Nothing to do with his car being a distant 9th best in race pace at Austin.

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No, that is good racing. We saw so many drivers simply sleeping in S3 and getting overtaken on the inside. You simply need to defend the inside there.
The opposite could be seen, when Ocon passed Alo and Law, due to the error, Law could not defend the inside.

Why do people here think that defending the inside is poor driving?

Strawman argument. I said there were risky chops that happened over several laps. They were not shown on TV, and I can understand Alonso's built-up frustration over them.

Oh, the good old "not shown on TV" argument
There are many onboards on Youtube, even F1 made a video about it. And no, it was not "several laps" as one can easily see in the timing. Most of the time Alo was too far away.
Maybe you can point to one "chop"?

Why are you referencing only the switchback you saw on the replay as the basis for your conclusion? Oh yes, Alonso was mad because he was "schooled" in how to drive.

I am not referencing to the switchback, that was simply excellent driving. Actually what Lando should have done with Max.
I am referencing to Alo sticking his front wing on the inside of turn 13 and 14 when Law clearly blocked the inside line. That was simply nonsense.

But for racing: In both cases, Alo and Per, would have had the chance to simply overtake him on a DRS straight, but could not get their exits together. Poor racing.

Alonso's updated car had no traction in Austin, especially off turn 11. The team reverted to the older spec car for Mexico because the Austin updates were a failure. I'm sure Alonso could have easily passed Lawson on the straight if he simply drove better. Nothing to do with his car being a distant 9th best in race pace at Austin.

What do you want to tell with this? Alo was slower but still, the error is on Lawson not waving by the slower car?

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I'm surprised to see so much backlash against Lawson here. I thought he did a brilliant job and similarly to Piastri and Colapinto, he made sure that he wont be put into the pushover category any time soon.

The aggression is smart and also justified since he is literally racing for his career. This is at least as important as a championship campaign for him.

Wasn't it Perrez who again massively underdelivered, did clumsy in wheel to wheel fighting and then called his 'sister-team mate' an idiot multiple times and then waited for him on the inlap to again come onto him? The middle finger is rude but not unjustified. He's not there to make friends but to kick out Perrez and to eventually replace Verstappen (the definition of an aggressive racer, who in turn is the heir to Vettel, who also was formerly known as being an agressive bully kind of driver). This is exactly what I would be looking for in Marco's shoes.

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Lawson apologises for giving Perez the middle finger at F1's Mexico GP

Liam Lawson has apologised to Sergio Perez for showing him the middle finger during their intense battle in Formula 1’s Mexico Grand Prix.
Jonathan Noble

Reflecting on that behaviour afterwards, Lawson said it was born out of frustration but admitted it was something that he should not have done.

“It's obviously one of those in the moment things,” he explained. “He spent half the lap blocking me, trying to ruin my race, so I was upset.

“But it's not an excuse. I shouldn't have done it, and I apologise for that.”

Lawson’s actions, both in being aggressive with Perez and then showing him the finger, did not impress Red Bull motorsport advisor Helmut Marko.

Marko told ORF: “[It was] an unnecessary collision, where I see Lawson as being more to blame.”

Asked if it was good that Lawson got his elbows out, at least, Marko replied: “If it had been someone else, yes. But not the sister team.”

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/laws ... /10667894/

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I'm surprised to see so much backlash against Lawson here. I thought he did a brilliant job and similarly to Piastri and Colapinto, he made sure that he wont be put into the pushover category any time soon.

The aggression is smart and also justified since he is literally racing for his career. This is at least as important as a championship campaign for him.

Wasn't it Perrez who again massively underdelivered, did clumsy in wheel to wheel fighting and then called his 'sister-team mate' an idiot multiple times and then waited for him on the inlap to again come onto him? The middle finger is rude but not unjustified. He's not there to make friends but to kick out Perrez and to eventually replace Verstappen (the definition of an aggressive racer, who in turn is the heir to Vettel, who also was formerly known as being an agressive bully kind of driver). This is exactly what I would be looking for in Marco's shoes.

Except Marko was critical of Lawson said he was more to blame in the Perez incident.

I think the RBR seat is all but his for next year but I think he needs to be more careful that to jeopardize the race of RBR

I think the agressive style is what Marko and the team overall would want, just that I think too he needs to be careful and keep it in check - Daniel in his last race going for the fastest lap to take a point from Lando to help Max kinda thing even when he knew what was coming,
You do need to race for your career but see the bigger picture. I think for the most part Lawson is justifying the call to put him in the RB seat over Dan but.... he does have to be careful here too.

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Except Marko was critical of Lawson said he was more to blame in the Perez incident.

Well, what else should he say? And knowing Marko, what he said was rather mild. He even spared Perez.
What he actually would like is that if a RB sees a RedBull in the mirror is to move over....that is not possible to say. And as you say, he wants Lawson to fight, to see how he is doing. So he can not say to Lawson "move over if you see Perez in the race for P11".
But same goes for Perez on the second get together.

I think the RBR seat is all but his for next year but I think he needs to be more careful that to jeopardize the race of RBR

Yes, he should stay focused. Middle finger is one clear way to say "I am not focused".

Wasn't it Perrez who again massively underdelivered, did clumsy in wheel to wheel fighting and then called his 'sister-team mate' an idiot multiple times and then waited for him on the inlap to again come onto him?

I do not know how you sum this up. If I saw it correctly it was two incidents:
- First overtake, Perez on Lawson. Both did wrong there. Lawson could have simply let it go for RedBull and called it a gift to Marko. But he held on to his position. That brought Perez racecraft to shine...he ended this with a completely unnecessary push off track, which led to Lawson sticking his wing in where it did not belong. Overall clumsy by both and unnecessarily hard. But still...blame on Lawson from Marko of course, he should have just let it go at the beginning.
- Second overtake, Law on Per. Perez was much slower and Law on a possible hunt for points. Per just ruined one lap for Law, which led to the finger. I would like to check in the timing, how animal style this lap was...but no access now. I fear the case is closed and Marko does not even speak to Per about this anymore. But it goes the same way.

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Except Marko was critical of Lawson said he was more to blame in the Perez incident.

Well, what else should he say? And knowing Marko, what he said was rather mild. He even spared Perez.
What he actually would like is that if a RB sees a RedBull in the mirror is to move over....that is not possible to say. And as you say, he wants Lawson to fight, to see how he is doing. So he can not say to Lawson "move over if you see Perez in the race for P11".
But same goes for Perez on the second get together.

I think the RBR seat is all but his for next year but I think he needs to be more careful that to jeopardize the race of RBR

Yes, he should stay focused. Middle finger is one clear way to say "I am not focused".

I think Marko would 90% like the agressive nature.But I think hurting the team overall may be the issue. If he had already proven he was going to be the next big thing, you might turn a blind eye to it a little but don't think Lawson has done that yet. But overall there are good signs..

I think Marko could have said they both could have left each other space. Or that they would discuss it during the week. I think that he called out Lawson was telling.

Horner is becoming more critical of Checco (rightfully) so I don't know they are completely protecting Checco for his own sake.

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Friday, November 1, 2024, 07:00
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