Flexiwings 2024

[Watto]

I hope the new F1 Race Director puts a hard stop to the front wing flexing which is so prevalent, at the next race. It is sickening to see the rule being so blatantly ignored.

That isn't the job of race control

Who is race control?

Race control as control over the safety car, yellow and red flags during a race etc. When the safety car comes in. Control over the marshals etc. They just follow the rules the FIA gives them.

[FW17]

That isn't the job of race control

Who is race control?

Race control as control over the safety car, yellow and red flags during a race etc. When the safety car comes in. Control over the marshals etc. They just follow the rules the FIA gives them.

great job in side stepping the discussion

[Watto]

Who is race control?

Race control as control over the safety car, yellow and red flags during a race etc. When the safety car comes in. Control over the marshals etc. They just follow the rules the FIA gives them.

great job in side stepping the discussion

My bad


Has been Niels Wittich until his removal this week but will be Rui Marques until the end of the year

[chrisc90]

Wonder how much speed the mini-drs wing cost McLaren this weekend

[_cerber1]

Wonder how much speed the mini-drs wing cost McLaren this weekend

As you can see, everything is fine. People overestimate the importance of mini DRS.

[chrisc90]

Surely that graph/chart would be irrelevant given the max speeds are with DRS fully open?

[_cerber1]

Surely that graph/chart would be irrelevant given the max speeds are with DRS fully open?

Do you have any other data?
Have you even seen the McLaren rear wing, do you really think it can create a lot of drag?

[Vanja #66]

Wonder how much speed the mini-drs wing cost McLaren this weekend

They had to switch to actual Monza wing here in Vegas, being able to get away with illegal Spa wing in Monza on straights in the race. Speedtrap figuers in Q with DRS are far less important for the influence that wing had. With the Monza wing, they looked way too loose on the rear and definitely looked worse on balance than yesterday.

On their Q3 laps in Vegas, Sainz gained about a tenth on straights vs Norris, while also getting 5 tenths in corners. In Q3 in Monza, Norris gained about 4 tenths on corners vs Leclerc and lost about 2.5 tenths on straights. That's with a new Mexico floor for McLaren and basically the same Ferrari like Monza. So nearly a full second worth of cornering time lost and different balance between illegal Spa wing in Monza and Monza wing in Vegas

[dialtone]

Wonder how much speed the mini-drs wing cost McLaren this weekend

They had to switch to actual Monza wing here in Vegas, being able to get away with illegal Spa wing in Monza on straights in the race. Speedtrap figuers in Q with DRS are far less important for the influence that wing had. With the Monza wing, they looked way too loose on the rear and definitely looked worse on balance than yesterday.

On their Q3 laps in Vegas, Sainz gained about a tenth on straights vs Norris, while also getting 5 tenths in corners. In Q3 in Monza, Norris gained about 4 tenths on corners vs Leclerc and lost about 2.5 tenths on straights. That's with a new Mexico floor for McLaren and basically the same Ferrari like Monza. So nearly a full second worth of cornering time lost and different balance between illegal Spa wing in Monza and Monza wing in Vegas

FIA are not serious people.

They DQ Russell for being a bit underweight, DQ Ferrari for 1mm plank wear. Then MCL shows up with a wing that opens 30% when it's not supposed to and whatever, too late to DQ post race.

[chrisc90]

I wonder if the previous race director had any influence in persuading teams not to appeal.

[Sieper]

It was for the Championship battle. But a drs flap opening upwards is the FIA having a laugh. That should have been a NO straight away.

[Farnborough]

Wonder how much speed the mini-drs wing cost McLaren this weekend

They had to switch to actual Monza wing here in Vegas, being able to get away with illegal Spa wing in Monza on straights in the race. Speedtrap figuers in Q with DRS are far less important for the influence that wing had. With the Monza wing, they looked way too loose on the rear and definitely looked worse on balance than yesterday.

On their Q3 laps in Vegas, Sainz gained about a tenth on straights vs Norris, while also getting 5 tenths in corners. In Q3 in Monza, Norris gained about 4 tenths on corners vs Leclerc and lost about 2.5 tenths on straights. That's with a new Mexico floor for McLaren and basically the same Ferrari like Monza. So nearly a full second worth of cornering time lost and different balance between illegal Spa wing in Monza and Monza wing in Vegas

FIA are not serious people.

They DQ Russell for being a bit underweight, DQ Ferrari for 1mm plank wear. Then MCL shows up with a wing that opens 30% when it's not supposed to and whatever, too late to DQ post race.

Clearly the team that doesn't understand a hard and defined limit like 1mm wear or minimum weight, that everyone knows .... are not serious those are slam dunk infringement, there's no leeway or negotiation, its always been like this. If they ran that risk (the team) , and they clearly did, then they know the penalty. What's not serious in that approach?

The bending wing, however it's manifested, didn't have enough words in rules to preclude it. Now they all understand the status quo.

[chrisc90]

Clearly the team that doesn't understand a hard and defined limit like 1mm wear or minimum weight, that everyone knows .... are not serious those are slam dunk infringement, there's no leeway or negotiation, its always been like this. If they ran that risk (the team) , and they clearly did, then they know the penalty. What's not serious in that approach?

The bending wing, however it's manifested, didn't have enough words in rules to preclude it. Now they all understand the status quo.

There must have been though. otherwise the FIA would have introduced new tests or a TD to eliminate the 'loophole'. I believe there is flexible bodywork mentioned in the rules. It was discussed plentiful when it all come to light on here.

[organic]

Clearly the team that doesn't understand a hard and defined limit like 1mm wear or minimum weight, that everyone knows .... are not serious those are slam dunk infringement, there's no leeway or negotiation, its always been like this. If they ran that risk (the team) , and they clearly did, then they know the penalty. What's not serious in that approach?

The bending wing, however it's manifested, didn't have enough words in rules to preclude it. Now they all understand the status quo.

There must have been though. otherwise the FIA would have introduced new tests or a TD to eliminate the 'loophole'. I believe there is flexible bodywork mentioned in the rules. It was discussed plentiful when it all come to light on here.

I don't think there was a TD or rule change on the RW . FIA just told McLaren to change their wings

[chrisc90]

Clearly the team that doesn't understand a hard and defined limit like 1mm wear or minimum weight, that everyone knows .... are not serious those are slam dunk infringement, there's no leeway or negotiation, its always been like this. If they ran that risk (the team) , and they clearly did, then they know the penalty. What's not serious in that approach?

The bending wing, however it's manifested, didn't have enough words in rules to preclude it. Now they all understand the status quo.

There must have been though. otherwise the FIA would have introduced new tests or a TD to eliminate the 'loophole'. I believe there is flexible bodywork mentioned in the rules. It was discussed plentiful when it all come to light on here.

I don't think there was a TD or rule change on the RW . FIA just told McLaren to change their wings

Thats the way I seen it too. Which must mean it was contravening a rule already in place. Just the FIA werent checking it. Which is why they got away with it. IMHO.