2024 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Nov 29 - Dec 01

[RonMexico]

I think the penalty to Norris is spot on.

Horrendous day for Hamilton, he doesn't come across as the easiest to work with these days.

[bananapeel23]

With how hard the penalties were this race, Russell should’ve gotten a 10 second at least. The penalty decisions this race have been bonkers.

Not that he deserved a 10 second penalty, mind you. But if everyone gets stupidly hard penalties, so should Russell.

Curious, he needed to get 10 second penalty to finish behind Sainz. I'm sure that is not affecting your view.

Oh no it absolutely is. I’m not denying that. But you can’t also deny that Russell getting the only 5 second penalty in this race is really odd.

[proteus]

Well I hope you lot who were chatting about British bias feel stupid now because you look it

Bias is towards the money. Fight at the last race and a win for a Ferrari...

Liberty making sure to milk it to the max....

[Watto]

The Lando penalty has me on mixed feelings.

I think it was too harsh and it feels like keeping the WCC battle open and maybe an outside 2nd place in the WDC.

But it also my concern in the slow call to remove the debris safety should be a priority it took way too long . But perhaps the on the grounds of safety a harsher penalty is probably called for too, A normal 10sec penalty I think should be sufficient though

A penalty was justified, he went from near 2 seconds back to just over one second back, and set a PB in the first sector on the lap when they yellow was out. But I think a 10s or drive thru would have been more appropriate.

The penalty was absolutely deserved. I don't think that is a questions at all really. I think the safety aspect always feels like the take it more seriously. I think too betwen eiher Lando or his engineer to not know to lift under double yellows seems pretty amature hour too. See it perhaps more in quali fastest sector in a yellow flaged section almost always has a penalty.
More the 10 sec SG seemed a tad on the harsher side of what they could give him.

[napoleon1981]

Water tire cooling confirmed

Why do you say that? Last stint Norris seemed like he could have gotten Max on track.

To me it looks like the tire wear has massively shifted. RB suddenly keeping the tire alive like the mclaren. Mclaren is also not running away anymore like they did a few races ago after 10 laps in or so. While evidence will always be circumstantial, this certainly is strong circumstantial evidence pointing in that direction.

[f1isgood]

Water tire cooling confirmed

Why do you say that? Last stint Norris seemed like he could have gotten Max on track.

To me it looks like the tire wear has massively shifted. RB suddenly keeping the tire alive like the mclaren. Mclaren is also not running away anymore like they did a few races ago after 10 laps in or so. While evidence will always be circumstantial, this certainly is strong circumstantial evidence pointing in that direction.

Potentially. I felt McL's tire water trick could only happen after the pitstops somehow but anyways. Curious to see how it unfolds at Abu Dhabi.

[mwillems]

It would be sensible in a night race to have LED boards the marshals can hold up, and not flags.

[chrisc90]

It would be sensible in a night race to have LED boards the marshals can hold up, and not flags.

I’d say the waved flag would be much better than a board.

The view will have been much clearer in the car than any onboard footage too

[Waz]

Why do you say that? Last stint Norris seemed like he could have gotten Max on track.

To me it looks like the tire wear has massively shifted. RB suddenly keeping the tire alive like the mclaren. Mclaren is also not running away anymore like they did a few races ago after 10 laps in or so. While evidence will always be circumstantial, this certainly is strong circumstantial evidence pointing in that direction.

Potentially. I felt McL's tire water trick could only happen after the pitstops somehow but anyways. Curious to see how it unfolds at Abu Dhabi.

After a pit stop and onto the harder tire is exactly when you would want something to add a little life to your tires till the end of the race.

[napoleon1981]

To me it looks like the tire wear has massively shifted. RB suddenly keeping the tire alive like the mclaren. Mclaren is also not running away anymore like they did a few races ago after 10 laps in or so. While evidence will always be circumstantial, this certainly is strong circumstantial evidence pointing in that direction.

Potentially. I felt McL's tire water trick could only happen after the pitstops somehow but anyways. Curious to see how it unfolds at Abu Dhabi.

After a pit stop and onto the harder tire is exactly when you would want something to add a little life to your tires till the end of the race.

Tbh most of the race was ran on the medium, it was the life of the medium that was critical for the race and where you would have wanted the advantage. Russell ran out of tire and you saw what happened. The first few laps on the hard were in Norris favor, suggesting they came up to temp quicker, also indicating less cooling.

[mwillems]

It would be sensible in a night race to have LED boards the marshals can hold up, and not flags.

I’d say the waved flag would be much better than a board.

The view will have been much clearer in the car than any onboard footage too

It may be different in person, but the boards are way more visible than flags in Qatar.

[KimiRai]

Why was Albon not given a 30 second time penalty for missing a rearview mirror like Alonso was in COTA 2022?

Back in 2022... Alpine successfully appealed it then, but I guess stewards forgot today?

[AR3-GP]

Why was Albon not given a 30 second time penalty for missing a rearview mirror like Alonso was in COTA 2022?

typical

[organic]

Why was Albon not given a 30 second time penalty for missing a rearview mirror like Alonso was in COTA 2022?

The rules regarding what counts as dangerous bodywork were reworked after that race or a few races after iirc. The teams were notified of a change in the way it'd be ruled in future

Basically early in 2022 Haas had been given 3 black & orange flags for things like front wing damage that they themselves and many of us felt was pretty ridiculous.

So they pushed hard for Alonso and Perez to get harsh penalties at cota. Stewards bought it for some reason. But they scheduled a review of black&orange flags/dangerous bodywork conditions after Haas kicked up a fuss (which was likely haas' real intentions anyway - to gain clarity)

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-s ... /10391932/

In the announcement that Alonso’s Austin penalty had been annulled, it was revealed that FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem had initiated a review into the future use of the black-and-orange flag.

Autosport understands that this has been enacted in unanimous agreement with the F1 teams

I'm not sure we're privy to the exact changes in what constitutes a dangerous condition of the car but I expect that teams agreed on certain things that are/aren't dangerous. So we can't use precedent from 2022 and earlier to dictate current stewarding because those rules changed

[fourmula1]

It would be sensible in a night race to have LED boards the marshals can hold up, and not flags.

I’d say the waved flag would be much better than a board.

The view will have been much clearer in the car than any onboard footage too

At night a massive LED flashing board is going to be pretty helpful. Flags as they wave can shrink in perspective when they are sideways right. Many series use in car flagtronics which can be insanely helpful.

We have the tech, their steering wheels should light up telling them exactly what is happening, and indeed at that point no excuse not to see a flag.