Red Bull RB21 Speculation Thread

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Generally speaking RBR also had some flexing in '24 when you look at onboards.
The question is how much of RB21's concept is based on aero elasticity.

Maybe (or hopefully) it's just one aspect and not THE aspect. Suspension might be another area where time and money has been spent.

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The TD change mid season is another obscenity from the FIA. It's obviously to pre-empt any situation of a dominant team, and synthetically try to augment the season. Fail. I honestly would not put it past them to start doing garbage like this every year. Eventually it will get to driver musical chairs and finally to an F1 triathlon: 1/3rd season racing F1 boats, 1/3 season racing F1 bikes, 1/3 season racing F1 cars.
Sorry. Just pissed and tired of FIA bs. :x
Watching F1 since 1986.

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lio007 wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:26 pm
Generally speaking RBR also had some flexing in '24 when you look at onboards.
The question is how much of RB21's concept is based on aero elasticity.

Maybe (or hopefully) it's just one aspect and not THE aspect. Suspension might be another area where time and money has been spent.
actually there is a comparison video on YT that shows this not to be the case. Just look at how rigid the rb20 is especially compared to the Mac and Merc.

Mind you the main point of contention for this rule is the split about 10-15cm in from the nose which shouldn't be there if not for silly "interpreting" of loose FIA rules.

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carisi2k wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 2:14 am
lio007 wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:26 pm
Generally speaking RBR also had some flexing in '24 when you look at onboards.
The question is how much of RB21's concept is based on aero elasticity.

Maybe (or hopefully) it's just one aspect and not THE aspect. Suspension might be another area where time and money has been spent.
actually there is a comparison video on YT that shows this not to be the case. Just look at how rigid the rb20 is especially compared to the Mac and Merc.

Mind you the main point of contention for this rule is the split about 10-15cm in from the nose which shouldn't be there if not for silly "interpreting" of loose FIA rules.
Hm...this video is from early September, I really thought there were flex on RB20's FW later in the season.
I'll have a look on F1TV.

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Main difference is not even on the flaps bending backwards. On the McLaren the main planes (the non adjustable part of the wing) bents down as well. And quite a lot actually. The RB doens't have any form of plex in that directions, completely rigid.

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I think it is highly likely they got (a) design(s) submitted that could not be banned but were regarded as unwanted or disrupting and felt immediate action was required.

Some other thing I podered a bit upon, is the development resource balance within teams. If 2025 is fully focussed on aeroelasticity, what are the other guys doing? Maybe there was a risk of the aero department arriving late to the 2026 party and the team bosses asked the FIA for a clampdown on aero intensity of 2025.

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Taking the angle of the Photo into account, it could be the typical hole between the Airbox and the left pillar.

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lio007 wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:00 am
carisi2k wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 2:14 am
lio007 wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:26 pm
Generally speaking RBR also had some flexing in '24 when you look at onboards.
The question is how much of RB21's concept is based on aero elasticity.

Maybe (or hopefully) it's just one aspect and not THE aspect. Suspension might be another area where time and money has been spent.
actually there is a comparison video on YT that shows this not to be the case. Just look at how rigid the rb20 is especially compared to the Mac and Merc.

Mind you the main point of contention for this rule is the split about 10-15cm in from the nose which shouldn't be there if not for silly "interpreting" of loose FIA rules.
Hm...this video is from early September, I really thought there were flex on RB20's FW later in the season.
I'll have a look on F1TV.
There was some pretty revealing comparison shots during COTA(late Oct) showing pretty much the same thing. Mclaren and Mercedes were so very clearly achieving more flex than everybody else.