2025 McLaren F1 Team

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FittingMechanics
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Stella did say that he sees this car as on the same improvement trajectory as their upgrades in 2023 and 2024 (which were massive relatively).

Probably the gap is not as big as it seems today but at least we can be sure that the car will be in the fight. That is all that I can wish for.

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https://www.formula1.com/en/video/lando ... 2907289289

Could Lando's smile be any bigger at all?! #reactionsanalysis

FittingMechanics
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Macklaren wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 21:19
https://www.formula1.com/en/video/lando ... 2907289289

Could Lando's smile be any bigger at all?! #reactionsanalysis
This was in the morning, but yes. :D

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I always think Mark has a few good nuggets of information- like how Lando went purple in the middle sector doing pitstop practice which I missed.

However, what data was he looking at to have Lando slower than Leclerc AND Antonelli in the second stint?

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mark ... -analysis/
Just a fan's point of view

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CjC wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 21:29
I always think Mark has a few good nuggets of information- like how Lando went purple in the middle sector doing pitstop practice which I missed.

However, what data was he looking at to have Lando slower than Leclerc AND Antonelli in the second stint?

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mark ... -analysis/
He made multiple mistakes. NOR ran C2 in his final stint - opposite of what he is saying. It is also likely he made a wrong copy/paste for the laptime of Stint 1 and 2 for Norris as the times listed are identical.

NOR also had much more than 12 second advantage over race distance as NOR had about 0.5s per lap for 57 laps. The fact that he made a whole article based on wrong initial data is quite annoying. It is also a warning about quality of these articles, they tend to extrapolate from a few datapoints which are here clearly wrong. Anyone who watched the session could see that Norris was in 34s during his second stint.

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CjC wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 21:29
I always think Mark has a few good nuggets of information- like how Lando went purple in the middle sector doing pitstop practice which I missed.

However, what data was he looking at to have Lando slower than Leclerc AND Antonelli in the second stint?

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mark ... -analysis/
Incredible. This is what passes for top tier journalism in this sport? There were fans in this forum keeping track lap by lap who gave a better overview of the data than this excuse of an article.
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CjC
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That’s what I thought @Emag and @fittingmechanics
Just a fan's point of view

Cs98
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Mark is not a serious journalist when it comes to analysing numbers, this has been a problem for years. Usually his numbers show it's close, even when it isn't. Just baiting for clicks trying to pander to every denomination of fan.

FittingMechanics
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Cs98 wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 21:53
Mark is not a serious journalist when it comes to analysing numbers, this has been a problem for years. Usually his numbers show it's close, even when it isn't. Just baiting for clicks trying to pander to every denomination of fan.
It's clear someone gave him wrong numbers here and then he wrote the article around it.

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Emag wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 21:38
CjC wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 21:29
I always think Mark has a few good nuggets of information- like how Lando went purple in the middle sector doing pitstop practice which I missed.

However, what data was he looking at to have Lando slower than Leclerc AND Antonelli in the second stint?

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mark ... -analysis/
Incredible. This is what passes for top tier journalism in this sport? There were fans in this forum keeping track lap by lap who gave a better overview of the data than this excuse of an article.
100%!
Reading the f1.com report on Day 2 takeaways was so frustrating. The average F1T reader could write something so much more insightful (and accurate)

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Emag wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 19:54


Honestly, that second stint is the most impressive here. Inferior tire, car still relatively heavy, yet he still was 0.3s up on Leclerc on average.
do we know if either of them went in the garage where they could have refuled at any point, or did they just make pitlane stops for tyres?

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Macklaren wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 21:58
Emag wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 21:38
CjC wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 21:29
I always think Mark has a few good nuggets of information- like how Lando went purple in the middle sector doing pitstop practice which I missed.

However, what data was he looking at to have Lando slower than Leclerc AND Antonelli in the second stint?

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mark ... -analysis/
Incredible. This is what passes for top tier journalism in this sport? There were fans in this forum keeping track lap by lap who gave a better overview of the data than this excuse of an article.
100%!
Reading the f1.com report on Day 2 takeaways was so frustrating. The average F1T reader could write something so much more insightful (and accurate)
This place is pretty amazing though with the insight that's shared.

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the EDGE wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 22:26
Emag wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 19:54


Honestly, that second stint is the most impressive here. Inferior tire, car still relatively heavy, yet he still was 0.3s up on Leclerc on average.
do we know if either of them went in the garage where they could have refuled at any point, or did they just make pitlane stops for tyres?
Just regular tyre changes. They did not go into the garages.

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Amusing thread from from the ever brilliant Vanja H :lol:



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Emag wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 21:09
mwillems wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 21:02
Looks exciting but I won't buy into it just yet.

Toto knows the game and how to play down expectations, though it does seem like we may be competing from the very start this year.

I'm still curious for the innovations. Are these the parts that crossover into next years regs?
People are misquoting. Toto said that about yesterday where arguably there were less reasons to be impressed by McLaren. I wonder what he had to say about them today.
Yeah i saw. He talks of yesterday but the quote was from today.

He's worried it seems.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/toto-wolf ... ry-bahrain
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