Engine choice...which would be better

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Which engine for Williams? (2010)

Renault
27
66%
Toyota
5
12%
Cosworth
9
22%
 
Total votes: 41

Raptor22
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In amateur racing sure, maybe you could ask a manufacturer for just a "torque curve." With how competitive pro motorsport is, and how big a deal signing an engine contract is, you have got to get every bit of data you can in advance.

The cooling requirements and temperature sensitivity of an engine are not trivial points. Everyone knows about torque curves and mass... it's carefully characterizing everything else that has the potential to set a winner apart.
They would be foolish to overlook every detail. So when you say coolant and water temperatures are big factors are you suggesting that there is large difference in operating temperature and that these difference influence the design of a green field chassis project?
Thats not how it happens.
Brawn certainly had to go through that exercise when Honda pulled out because their chassis and aero concept was already in manufacture.

For newt year all teams start with a green field project. The refuelling ban means a totally new car,suspension and aero dynamic concept. Drivability becomes the key decision point in the engine selection.
Engine temp changes with different fuel load can vary so all engines will need a different cooling capacity and oil flow will need to be increased. The netchange for each engine will not be linear and will only be interesting from the point of view that it will influence the chassis design.

you still want the engine with the best performance curve characteristics.

engine oil and water temp curves are part of the secondary requires like;
what is the electrical system like
oil pump design determining oil tank location, and water plumbing determining radiator location.
The actual engine oil and water temps are managed through design to keep them within the optimal range.

I would agree that for a brown field project the oil and water temps are critical so they do not influence the layout of the car through necessitating major design changes like a new floor, side pods and front wing.
For a green fields project, the temps are a moot point and there are bigger decision points that influence which engines is bolted to the rear of the car.

Raptor22
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The reason the Cosworth will be attractive is that there should be at least 3 teams running it which will aid in development of the engines reliability.

Cosworth will be allowed to make changes to the engine design through the year.
I believe the engine freeze rule will be scrappednext year because it limits new companies from entering F1 and developing their engine.The Engine freeze rule is one of the factors that lead to Honda's withdrawal.
It was also a factor in BMW's withdrawal decision.

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Paul
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I think Sir Frank will gamble on Cosworth. With Renault his team will always be in midfield. On the other hand, they will be Cosworth's top client and will be able to dictate the characteristics they want from the engine. With some help from Max, they might end with significantly better package than anyone else.

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ISLAMATRON
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Raptor22 wrote:Cosworth will be allowed to make changes to the engine design through the year.
Source?

To my understanding, they have up until the first race to develop the CA2010 and then must submit an engine for re-homologation.

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Cosworth would make certain technical sense, when the entire 2006 Williams driveline was developed with them.
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Paul wrote:I think Sir Frank will gamble on Cosworth. With Renault his team will always be in midfield. On the other hand, they will be Cosworth's top client and will be able to dictate the characteristics they want from the engine. With some help from Max, they might end with significantly better package than anyone else.
Redbull is proving quite well that the Renault engine is better than simply a midfield runner.
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segedunum
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After what we've seen this season, but particularly at Spa, anything but a Ferrari engine. Fuel consumption is going to be critical next year.

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ISLAMATRON
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Actually the Merc seems to be the real heavy drinker on the grid, Look how early Lewis pitted compared to Truilli who had less fuel onboard.

JT had 0.5 kg less fuel than LH and went a full lap longer.
Vettel had only 2.5kg more fuel than LH but went 3 laps longer.

But maybe LH came in early because the tires were gone.... but his lap times looked good, so I dont think so.

Raptor22
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ISLAMATRON wrote:
Raptor22 wrote:Cosworth will be allowed to make changes to the engine design through the year.
Source?

To my understanding, they have up until the first race to develop the CA2010 and then must submit an engine for re-homologation.

As the rules currently stand that is the scenario.However,please read my entire post.
I mention that I believe the rules are going to change over the winter to allow engine supply to be more attractive to new supplier, e.g. Cosworth.

Currently the rules make it attractive fora company like say Peugeot, or VW or Lada to want be involved since they will be stuck with an engine design for a whole season.
New entrants need a year to develop their engine freely in a racing environment.

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ISLAMATRON
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Both the FIA & FOTA are looking forward to the next engine formula in 2012 or 2013, they dont want to spend any more money on these dead technology engines.

And the rules as they stand now mandate Cosworth to submit their engine for homologation and must stick with that engine spec until the end of the season.