Beating Button

[Ciro Pabón]

By popular request, I'm merging this thread with the "Button without a drive" one. I'll do it tomorrow, unless somebody thinks otherwise.

[modbaraban]

You should push that Button more often, Ciro

[lebesset]

what a sad thread this is
has nobody noticed that button has been the only driver who has performed almost flawlessly in every race this year ?
so he is not as good in qually ? would his detractors be happy if he was like trulli , great qualifier , mediocre racer [ by F1 standards , the highest ]

to finish first , first you have got to finish , and none are better than that than button [ except heidfeld ?]

watch out for next year ; although brawn don't have the resources of the big teams , hopefully they will give button a competitive car ; then, although hamilton has matured into the class of the field , button will be right there again with him ...even ross brawn admits they made a mistake at ferrari by not attracting button !

[Richard]

what a sad thread this is

Cheer up! Don't worry, a lot of the posts have also made similar points that agree with your view.

watch out for next year ; although brawn don't have the resources of the big teams , hopefully they will give button a competitive car

I worry about that. Brawn had the advantage of the aero/DDD surprise for the first half of this season. That was the result of radical rule changes. I'm not sure the stable rules will give that same opportunity next year. The second half of the season has shown the leading teams are now roughly on par.

Then again, maybe the fuel and tyre changes will give enough space for more innovative surprises from Brawn and RB?

[axle]

The rate of development has been slow in the Brawn this year and that's a worry, but I do think they will have had more resources on 2010 than expected because of the lead they had at the start.

The 2010 car will be designed around the new engine and a new optimised gearbox so things will get better from there. We have to remember that the mechanics of the BGP001 was compromised by the late engine deal/green light.

[raceman]

yes

they will have more sponsors than this year, which will pour money into the team to have themselves branded.

also, they will receive money from FOM I guess it will be quite a "LARGE SUM" to count


these factors will surely have their budget for 2010 squoosh the ceiling and help developing BGP02 quite smoothly

[lebesset]

well , getting closer
vettel now needs a first and a second to beat button even if button doesn't score , the tracks where the red bull/toro rosso chassis have such a huge advantage are now past , car competitive still but that's all ; odds for vettel? ...less than 100 to 1 , but not much less

barichello now needs to score 15 points more than button ...but in the same car ; frankly with the current competition I would bet against him scoring 15 points anyhow

odds for barichello ...very similar to vettel

the fat lady already has her music out ....don't think anyone else is going to beat button's CURRENT score

of course , never say never , last night , playing backgammon , my opponent needed to roll exactly a double 4 followed by a double 5 in order to beat me [ 1225 to 1 shot to save you the effort ]
GUESS WHAT HE DID

[axle]

I expect Vettel's reprieve to be temporary...I think he'll be out of it after Brazil, but as I said in another thread it's such an odd season and so many cars are fluctuating in performance it's hard to make a reasonable guess.

[Terrible3]

I think Brawns early season dominance has made the ending of the season slightly less dramatic then it could have been. That's not to say the WDC is settled, just that it could have been way more interesting. Look at the second half of the season and imagine that mix of winning drivers versus just JB winning endlessly.

I would still love to see RB be the black horse and steal it out from under JB just to make the ending more exciting. Vettel is my boy but there is no denying he has made too many mistakes and reliability has not been on his side. None the less we will see how it pans out next weekend.

[jamsbong]

This thread is as good as any to vent my frustration. I can't believe that Button whinning over Rosberg "lack of penalty". Link:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 1340.shtml

He is about to become this year's champion and he is picking on small little issue such as this one. Hamilton would have been a much more worthy champ than him (eventhough I don't like Hamilton). A REAL champ would fight heroicly till the end! rather than say "OUCH! you broke my finger nails.", or something like that...

Is wishful thinking, but I certainly hope Vettel or Barachello wins this year's championship.

[Terrible3]

During the post race interview I could understand some frustration from button as he had no idea that the yellow flag information was being override by low fuel. However this whining from Button in the above article is unfounded. Button can whine all he wants but it wont change the fact that he is currently unable to deliver. I remember reading an interview with martin brundle where he claimed that Button was a better driver than LH since he was the full package..... yea right.

[sknguy]

I remember reading an interview with martin brundle where he claimed that Button was a better driver than LH since he was the full package..... yea right.

Yea... that was probably true at one time, but, as much as I'm not a Hamilton fan, I must admit that as Hamilton matures I think he's quickly becoming a "full package" driver.

Honestly I don't see Button as a "full package" driver. Button's driving repertoire leans towards a smooth, controlled style. And I think to be a full package you need to have the attack-instinct at the ready. We've seen it on rare occasions from Button. But not to the extent of Alonso, Hamilton, Massa, Kubica, Vettel, Weber, and a few others.

However, I don't want to take away from Button's talent, and think that Button's WDC will be a well deserved one. His talent and driving style are basically what's won it for him after all. But, a lot of his and Brawn's success has to do with that double diffuser, that everyone's finally caught on to, as well.

[jamsbong]

I reckon someone like Montoya is a well deserved champ but never materialised. Button worthy of a champ? NO.

[Richard]

I reckon someone like Montoya is a well deserved champ but never materialised. Button worthy of a champ? NO.

Scoring more points that your competitors isn't enough? I thought that's how a champion was measured in this sport?

What about 6 wins v 3 for Vettel and 2 for Rubens? What about finishing ahead of Rubens in 10 out of 15 races, and ahead of Vettel in 9 out of 15? Or finishing in the points in every race other than Spa where he was shunted off the track?

[CMSMJ1]

I don't understand the anti Button jibes.

If he won the last 6 races on the bounce then nobody would deny that he deserved it. It is a team sport, his team got him a car tat was a winner. HIs team mate failed to take advantage and so I hope Button nails a podium in Brazil to win the title.

Vettel has been fast but erratic, Button has been 99% as fast and consistent. It is consistency that wins titles over 17 rounds and on that score Jenson deserves it.