TFSA wrote: ↑11 Mar 2024, 22:07
cheeRS wrote: ↑11 Mar 2024, 21:54
If he wins this, that'll setup a nice precedent for Lewis to also collect a huge payday for the theft/manipulation of his 8th title in 2021. Not that he needs the money, but the legal foundation will be there for him to submit a slam dunk case.
No it doesn't. I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll just make this one post on this.
The 2008 case is alledging that the FIA and F1 kept secret that they knew of race manipulation, and as such, could have intervened, but chose not to because it would look bad for the sport. In short, it alledges corruption.
2021 was a race director making a bad call. Nothing more, nothing less. But stewards determined it was within the interpretation of the rules, and Mercedes decided - on their own - not to appeal it to the tribunal, which means they've forfeited the right to get it reviewed there by their own decision not to appeal it.
And finally, even if Abu Dhabi was cancelled, Max would still be champion.
And can we now please put this argument about this opening up the doors to have 2021 revoked to make Lewis champion to rest. Those are two entirely different cases. 2021 is not gonna be changed, no matter the outcome of the Massa case. Legally, they are not similar in any way.
chrisc90 wrote: ↑11 Mar 2024, 21:55
Also opens up a LOT of other sporting decisions that may/may not have gone a drivers' way though.
It really doesn't.
I get that you’re overly sensitive to this topic as a newbie to the forum/Max/RbR fan, and there’s no sense it correcting you from that perspective, but you clearly wrote in the thoughts that you wrongly assumed were there.
To be clear, I didn’t say anything about Lewis reclaiming his 8th title after the manipulation. I pointed out that if Massa wins his lawsuit, it ALSO opens up a lawsuit to collect monetary losses. If you read Massa’s lawsuit filing, the monetary compensation is a separate stipulation from his demands that the FIA affirm the facts around crash gate.
So, hopefully you can read the above without assumptions this time.
Regarding Lewis, you don’t have to worry or panic that he’s going to get 2021 corrected. We all saw the manipulation that Masi engineered and we saw that Lewis chose to take the high road, and made sure his team did the same. For the record, that doesn’t mean what happened was not a corrupt manipulation and that is why many drivers/fans/team bosses will have an asterisk next to the 2021 WDC. And you made this point more pronounced when admitting that if they cancelled AD 2022 Max would still be the champion, thus making Masi’s meddling even more powerful. At any rate, whether we see a suit/challenge come against that farce in years to come remains to be seen, but let’s save that for another thread.
Again, I’ll say this explicitly: the point is that this lawsuit can result in compensation for Massa, which opens the door for Lewis. Do any of us think that the WDC of 2008 is going to be handed to Massa? Well, given the fanbase here, that question probably isn’t rhetorical
BUT. If I was Massa, I’d have a pretty darn good chance of collecting a VERY comfortable retirement.
In most sports, results can’t be changed anyway, let alone championship outcomes (Olympic games notwithstanding).
Human history is the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy.
