2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[Otromundo]

I'm a bit confused about this issue. I suppose people with so much experience in their respective jobs should have anticipated many things before assigning salaries. Some were already very obvious. For example, "the car doesn't run well, but those who share the engine with us run better. Any ideas?"

The problem with their own modern wind tunnel... is the biggest factor causing problems... and it hasn't received any truly special attention since preseason. I suppose AN would be perfectly aware of the problem and its possible solutions given his experience. And I'm also surprised that AN hasn't drawn any effective conclusions after examining the AM25 in detail. Especially if, as it seems, the car's floor is poorly designed.

All of this should have been discussed and debated even before announcing AN's signing, not now.

I'm surprised this gang of crocodiles didn't do the most normal and necessary thing first: improve the car, which is rubbish. And quickly, too.

Please make a good car for El Nano, right now. As Max_Speed ​​says, you haven't proven anything yet. And we also need to be faster and more agile in the pits... what a terrible team !!!

I'm confident in the improvement because I appreciate the quality of the team. But we have to build the team quickly and efficiently. And the process is feeling endless ......

[TyreSlip]

I'm a bit confused about this issue. I suppose people with so much experience in their respective jobs should have anticipated many things before assigning salaries. Some were already very obvious. For example, "the car doesn't run well, but those who share the engine with us run better. Any ideas?"

The problem with their own modern wind tunnel... is the biggest factor causing problems... and it hasn't received any truly special attention since preseason. I suppose AN would be perfectly aware of the problem and its possible solutions given his experience. And I'm also surprised that AN hasn't drawn any effective conclusions after examining the AM25 in detail. Especially if, as it seems, the car's floor is poorly designed.

All of this should have been discussed and debated even before announcing AN's signing, not now.

I'm surprised this gang of crocodiles didn't do the most normal and necessary thing first: improve the car, which is rubbish. And quickly, too.

Please make a good car for El Nano, right now. As Max_Speed ​​says, you haven't proven anything yet. And we also need to be faster and more agile in the pits... what a terrible team !!!

I'm confident in the improvement because I appreciate the quality of the team. But we have to build the team quickly and efficiently. And the process is feeling endless ......

The AMR25 was not made in the new wind tunnel. It only became fully operational a month or two ago. The first update in the upcoming races will determine if the team is really bad at interpreting data or if the Mercedes wind tunnel is truly flawed.

But yes, I agree about the atrocious pitstops. For a team wanting to be future world champions, they certainly do not display a championship mindset.

[peewon]

The AMR25 was not made in the new wind tunnel. It only became fully operational a month or two ago. The first update in the upcoming races will determine if the team is really bad at interpreting data or if the Mercedes wind tunnel is truly flawed.

But yes, I agree about the atrocious pitstops. For a team wanting to be future world champions, they certainly do not display a championship mindset.

I think it was already established that the Merc tunnel had some correlation problems.

[diffuser]

I'm a bit confused about this issue. I suppose people with so much experience in their respective jobs should have anticipated many things before assigning salaries. Some were already very obvious. For example, "the car doesn't run well, but those who share the engine with us run better. Any ideas?"

The problem with their own modern wind tunnel... is the biggest factor causing problems... and it hasn't received any truly special attention since preseason. I suppose AN would be perfectly aware of the problem and its possible solutions given his experience. And I'm also surprised that AN hasn't drawn any effective conclusions after examining the AM25 in detail. Especially if, as it seems, the car's floor is poorly designed.

All of this should have been discussed and debated even before announcing AN's signing, not now.

I'm surprised this gang of crocodiles didn't do the most normal and necessary thing first: improve the car, which is rubbish. And quickly, too.

Please make a good car for El Nano, right now. As Max_Speed ​​says, you haven't proven anything yet. And we also need to be faster and more agile in the pits... what a terrible team !!!

I'm confident in the improvement because I appreciate the quality of the team. But we have to build the team quickly and efficiently. And the process is feeling endless ......

What exactly do you mean by "runs"? It runs fine for me.


You forget that AN worked at RBR when he was hired and wasn't allowed to look at anything? That after he gave his resignation he was on gardening leave till March 1st? He has experience working with WTs to build cars but has no experience building WTs.

Not sure where you're getting the idea that they have problems with their own tunnel? The have yet to put anything on that car from that wind tunnel. They finished calibrating it about 10 weeks ago. It was calibrated by an outside source. In reality ,the WT has just been finished.

[-wkst-]

It wasn't calibrated by a third party, the engineering department (headed by Furbatto) is responsible for this kind of stuff and did that with old known models. Maybe they had some external consultants.

[Otromundo]

I'm a bit confused about this issue. I suppose people with so much experience in their respective jobs should have a .../... I'm confident in the improvement because I appreciate the quality of the team. But we have to build the team quickly and efficiently. And the process is feeling endless ......

What exactly do you mean by "runs"? It runs fine for me.


You forget that AN worked at RBR when he was hired and wasn't allowed to look at anything? That after he gave his resignation he was on gardening leave till March 1st? He has experience working with WTs to build cars but has no experience building WTs.

Not sure where you're getting the idea that they have problems with their own tunnel? The have yet to put anything on that car from that wind tunnel. They finished calibrating it about 10 weeks ago. It was calibrated by an outside source. In reality ,the WT has just been finished.

Hi, Diffuser. Don't get angry, languages ​​can sometimes cause complications. I'll try to explain my point of view better.

When I say they run better, I mean that both MB and McL, and Williams, achieve better results using the same engine. So the engine isn't the cause of the problem.

About the gardening... I know that legally and according to FIA regulations, that rule must be respected. But I also assume that Mr. Stroll Sr., AN, at least part of the technical team, and probably even ALO, had made some kind of plans before signing the AM&AN contract. It would be the most normal thing. I don't consider them amateurs.

Maintaining appearances by respecting the rules is the first priority. But given the long experience of many of those involved, and more specifically Mr. Stroll's as a businessman... to convince AN, they had to show him "things" before all of them signed the contract.

In short: when there's a lot of money at stake, the rules aren't the most important thing, but the future is.

The wind tunnel thing is because they sometimes annoy me: I assumed it was exactly how Newey would like it, simply. By the way, Peewon's video is excellent. Now I understand much better the difficulties in calibrating it to reality. It's the first time I've seen a modern wind tunnel in detail. Thanks a lot, Peewon.

Last year was an unpleasant surprise, and this year we're going similarly. So I'm not happy, Diffuser.

[Nikosar]

I'm a bit confused about this issue. I suppose people with so much experience in their respective jobs should have a .../... I'm confident in the improvement because I appreciate the quality of the team. But we have to build the team quickly and efficiently. And the process is feeling endless ......

What exactly do you mean by "runs"? It runs fine for me.


You forget that AN worked at RBR when he was hired and wasn't allowed to look at anything? That after he gave his resignation he was on gardening leave till March 1st? He has experience working with WTs to build cars but has no experience building WTs.

Not sure where you're getting the idea that they have problems with their own tunnel? The have yet to put anything on that car from that wind tunnel. They finished calibrating it about 10 weeks ago. It was calibrated by an outside source. In reality ,the WT has just been finished.

Hi, Diffuser. Don't get angry, languages ​​can sometimes cause complications. I'll try to explain my point of view better.

When I say they run better, I mean that both MB and McL, and Williams, achieve better results using the same engine. So the engine isn't the cause of the problem.

About the gardening... I know that legally and according to FIA regulations, that rule must be respected. But I also assume that Mr. Stroll Sr., AN, at least part of the technical team, and probably even ALO, had made some kind of plans before signing the AM&AN contract. It would be the most normal thing. I don't consider them amateurs.

Maintaining appearances by respecting the rules is the first priority. But given the long experience of many of those involved, and more specifically Mr. Stroll's as a businessman... to convince AN, they had to show him "things" before all of them signed the contract.

In short: when there's a lot of money at stake, the rules aren't the most important thing, but the future is.

The wind tunnel thing is because they sometimes annoy me: I assumed it was exactly how Newey would like it, simply. By the way, Peewon's video is excellent. Now I understand much better the difficulties in calibrating it to reality. It's the first time I've seen a modern wind tunnel in detail. Thanks a lot, Peewon.

Last year was an unpleasant surprise, and this year we're going similarly. So I'm not happy, Diffuser.

I believe Cowell effectively dispelled the speculation about the wind tunnel by using the analogy of two clocks showing different times.

In Formula 1, wind tunnel limitations are sometimes used as a convenient explanation, when teams face performance struggles. Recently, Christian Horner referred to their outdated "Cold War-era" wind tunnel as a factor behind Red Bull's current dip. Yet interestingly, Racing Bulls share access to that same facility, haven't voiced it and said they face no correlation issues. (The Diffuser used the analogy about painting the Monalisa)

I believe Aston Martin, on the other hand, is tackling other aspects of car performance that don't appear to be linked directly to wind tunnel correlation issues.

You mention, to convince AN, they had to show him "things" before all of them signed the contract.
Both Adrian Newey and Fernando Alonso secured the biggest paychecks possible before the end of their careers. What else do they need to show them? Alonso could be now at Mercedes, fighting for poles and maybe wins this year, and Newey could be at Ferrari. It’s not necessarily about “seeing things” to win in 2026. There’s a big chance, yes, with new regulations, new factory, new tools and the best talent working together. But in the end, they chose the biggest contracts over a possibility of getting shot at the title.

[Otromundo]

What exactly do you mean by "runs"? It runs fine for me.


You forget that AN worked at RBR when he was hired and wasn't allowed to look at anything? That after he gave his resignation he was on gardening leave till March 1st? He has experience working with WTs to build cars but has no experience building WTs.

Not sure where you're getting the idea that they have problems with their own tunnel? The have yet to put anything on that car from that wind tunnel. They finished calibrating it about 10 weeks ago. It was calibrated by an outside source. In reality ,the WT has just been finished.

Hi, Diffuser. Don't get angry, languages ​​can sometimes cause complications. I'll try to explain my point of view better.

When I say they run better, I mean that both MB and McL, and Williams, achieve better results using the same engine. So the engine isn't the cause of the problem.

About the gardening... I know that legally and according to FIA regulations, that rule must be respected. But I also assume that Mr. Stroll Sr., AN, at least part of the technical team, and probably even ALO, had made some kind of plans before signing the AM&AN contract. It would be the most normal thing. I don't consider them amateurs.

Maintaining appearances by respecting the rules is the first priority. But given the long experience of many of those involved, and more specifically Mr. Stroll's as a businessman... to convince AN, they had to show him "things" before all of them signed the contract.

In short: when there's a lot of money at stake, the rules aren't the most important thing, but the future is.

The wind tunnel thing is because they sometimes annoy me: I assumed it was exactly how Newey would like it, simply. By the way, Peewon's video is excellent. Now I understand much better the difficulties in calibrating it to reality. It's the first time I've seen a modern wind tunnel in detail. Thanks a lot, Peewon.

Last year was an unpleasant surprise, and this year we're going similarly. So I'm not happy, Diffuser.

I believe Cowell effectively dispelled the speculation about the wind tunnel by using the analogy of two clocks showing different times.

In Formula 1, wind tunnel limitations are sometimes used as a convenient explanation, when teams face performance struggles. Recently, Christian Horner referred to their outdated "Cold War-era" wind tunnel as a factor behind Red Bull's current dip. Yet interestingly, Racing Bulls share access to that same facility, haven't voiced it and said they face no correlation issues. (The Diffuser used the analogy about painting the Monalisa)

I believe Aston Martin, on the other hand, is tackling other aspects of car performance that don't appear to be linked directly to wind tunnel correlation issues.

You mention, to convince AN, they had to show him "things" before all of them signed the contract.
Both Adrian Newey and Fernando Alonso secured the biggest paychecks possible before the end of their careers. What else do they need to show them? Alonso could be now at Mercedes, fighting for poles and maybe wins this year, and Newey could be at Ferrari. It’s not necessarily about “seeing things” to win in 2026. There’s a big chance, yes, with new regulations, new factory, new tools and the best talent working together. But in the end, they chose the biggest contracts over a possibility of getting shot at the title.

Very interesting. Good point of view. We will wait for chance and a miracle to happen.

[diffuser]

I'm a bit confused about this issue. I suppose people with so much experience in their respective jobs should have a .../... I'm confident in the improvement because I appreciate the quality of the team. But we have to build the team quickly and efficiently. And the process is feeling endless ......

What exactly do you mean by "runs"? It runs fine for me.


You forget that AN worked at RBR when he was hired and wasn't allowed to look at anything? That after he gave his resignation he was on gardening leave till March 1st? He has experience working with WTs to build cars but has no experience building WTs.

Not sure where you're getting the idea that they have problems with their own tunnel? The have yet to put anything on that car from that wind tunnel. They finished calibrating it about 10 weeks ago. It was calibrated by an outside source. In reality ,the WT has just been finished.

Hi, Diffuser. Don't get angry, languages ​​can sometimes cause complications. I'll try to explain my point of view better.

When I say they run better, I mean that both MB and McL, and Williams, achieve better results using the same engine. So the engine isn't the cause of the problem.

About the gardening... I know that legally and according to FIA regulations, that rule must be respected. But I also assume that Mr. Stroll Sr., AN, at least part of the technical team, and probably even ALO, had made some kind of plans before signing the AM&AN contract. It would be the most normal thing. I don't consider them amateurs.

Maintaining appearances by respecting the rules is the first priority. But given the long experience of many of those involved, and more specifically Mr. Stroll's as a businessman... to convince AN, they had to show him "things" before all of them signed the contract.

In short: when there's a lot of money at stake, the rules aren't the most important thing, but the future is.

The wind tunnel thing is because they sometimes annoy me: I assumed it was exactly how Newey would like it, simply. By the way, Peewon's video is excellent. Now I understand much better the difficulties in calibrating it to reality. It's the first time I've seen a modern wind tunnel in detail. Thanks a lot, Peewon.

Last year was an unpleasant surprise, and this year we're going similarly. So I'm not happy, Diffuser.

Sorry, if I sounded angry, I wasn't.

[diffuser]

It wasn't calibrated by a third party, the engineering department (headed by Furbatto) is responsible for this kind of stuff and did that with old known models. Maybe they had some external consultants.

I thought I had read the commissioning was being done externally but I can't find it.

[zoroastar]

What exactly do you mean by "runs"? It runs fine for me.


You forget that AN worked at RBR when he was hired and wasn't allowed to look at anything? That after he gave his resignation he was on gardening leave till March 1st? He has experience working with WTs to build cars but has no experience building WTs.

Not sure where you're getting the idea that they have problems with their own tunnel? The have yet to put anything on that car from that wind tunnel. They finished calibrating it about 10 weeks ago. It was calibrated by an outside source. In reality ,the WT has just been finished.

Hi, Diffuser. Don't get angry, languages ​​can sometimes cause complications. I'll try to explain my point of view better.

When I say they run better, I mean that both MB and McL, and Williams, achieve better results using the same engine. So the engine isn't the cause of the problem.

About the gardening... I know that legally and according to FIA regulations, that rule must be respected. But I also assume that Mr. Stroll Sr., AN, at least part of the technical team, and probably even ALO, had made some kind of plans before signing the AM&AN contract. It would be the most normal thing. I don't consider them amateurs.

Maintaining appearances by respecting the rules is the first priority. But given the long experience of many of those involved, and more specifically Mr. Stroll's as a businessman... to convince AN, they had to show him "things" before all of them signed the contract.

In short: when there's a lot of money at stake, the rules aren't the most important thing, but the future is.

The wind tunnel thing is because they sometimes annoy me: I assumed it was exactly how Newey would like it, simply. By the way, Peewon's video is excellent. Now I understand much better the difficulties in calibrating it to reality. It's the first time I've seen a modern wind tunnel in detail. Thanks a lot, Peewon.

Last year was an unpleasant surprise, and this year we're going similarly. So I'm not happy, Diffuser.

I believe Cowell effectively dispelled the speculation about the wind tunnel by using the analogy of two clocks showing different times.

In Formula 1, wind tunnel limitations are sometimes used as a convenient explanation, when teams face performance struggles. Recently, Christian Horner referred to their outdated "Cold War-era" wind tunnel as a factor behind Red Bull's current dip. Yet interestingly, Racing Bulls share access to that same facility, haven't voiced it and said they face no correlation issues. (The Diffuser used the analogy about painting the Monalisa)

I believe Aston Martin, on the other hand, is tackling other aspects of car performance that don't appear to be linked directly to wind tunnel correlation issues.

You mention, to convince AN, they had to show him "things" before all of them signed the contract.
Both Adrian Newey and Fernando Alonso secured the biggest paychecks possible before the end of their careers. What else do they need to show them? Alonso could be now at Mercedes, fighting for poles and maybe wins this year, and Newey could be at Ferrari. It’s not necessarily about “seeing things” to win in 2026. There’s a big chance, yes, with new regulations, new factory, new tools and the best talent working together. But in the end, they chose the biggest contracts over a possibility of getting shot at the title.

although im sure money had something to do with it, newey picked aston because its the team that he could build from the ground up in the way he wanted it. when newey wins at aston, everyone are going to give him the respect he hadnt been getting at redbull for the last few years. hes not going to get that at ferrari, mercedes or mclaren. and williams is still likely to run into roadblocks to success until they can upgrade their facilities. aston was the only team with top notch facilities, havent won championships, and that isnt going to be run by shareholder and accountants. like he said, its run like an old school race team, with as little politics as possible.
alonsos options have diminished substantially in the last few years simply because of his age. aston were the team that were willing to offer more than a one year contract probably. and he had daddy stroll in his ear telling him he was going to hire newey probably haha. but i dont think either one of them picked aston because it was the best paycheck. im pretty sure alonso would race for free if he knew he would be in a title challenging car. damn the guy deserves it.

[RedNEO]

Back to really important stuff

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... BlgBqxqf0G

Team Principal Cowell confirmed that the wind tunnel has been in use since mid-March and is taking on both 2025 and 2026 aerodynamic development, with the first fruits of that labour due to hit the track soon.

“We’ve transitioned to this tunnel, and there’s hardware coming through that we’ll see at the circuit in the coming races,” Cowell explained at the recent Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, with Aston Martin previously using engine supplier Mercedes’ wind tunnel.

“We’ve transitioned to this tunnel, and there’s hardware coming through that we’ll see at the circuit in the coming races,” Cowell explained at the recent Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, with Aston Martin previously using engine supplier Mercedes’ wind tunnel.

“People often talk about how to tell the time when you’ve got two watches – how do you tell the aero load when development work has been done in one wind tunnel and then you swap across to the next?

“They’ll never tell you exactly the same, but we are enjoying the new wind tunnel. It’s opened our eyes to a few characteristics. Then you’ve got to do the work. If you’ve got a new test facility that gives you a clearer view, a more representative view, you’ve got to then do aero development work.

“You’ve got to change shapes, make parts, understand, and then make full-size components to bring to the circuit and measure in this complex environment. We’re in that process, enjoying the new tool, and look forward to making a faster race car with it.”

One last race before the upgrade? Hope we manage to get in the points this weekend somehow.

[peewon]

Commissioning and Calibration are two separate steps of setting up the wind tunnel.

"Step zero is commissioning," Migeot explains. "This is where you have to check what has been sold to you is effectively achieved. You know, the air distribution, the turbulence, the temperature control, which is hugely important.

"You have to run the tunnel in all conditions and first check your builder has done a good job, then run all the electronics for the control [units]. It's a huge work for a group of people and is taking at least one month. And then if that's okay - because if that's not okay, you are fixing something which is not hours, but days and weeks of changes - then you start to work with the model."

This is the point till where the manufacturer or the external partners in the setup limit their involvement. From this point on its about calibrating the tunnel to the real world to ensure that the differences in the two are consistent even though a tunnel cannot replicate the real world exactly.

Migeot explains that a tunnel doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated to what is experienced on track, but the difference between the tunnel and real-world readings must be consistent.

"The tunnel will not give you the truth. It will give you something which, in the best scenario, is consistent with reality. If you have a quite fixed difference between reality and the tunnel, that's fine; it can't be identical. If you're confident that, when you improve in the tunnel, you know it's going to improve on the track, you're saving a huge amount of time.

FULL ARTICLE for those interested: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... /10671540/

[peewon]

Not sure how reliable this source is but it claims theres some small updates coming for this race and major ones for Imola.

https://www.grada3.com/us/2025/04/29/as ... el-alonso/

[TyreSlip]

Not sure how reliable this source is but it claims theres some small updates coming for this race and major ones for Imola.

https://www.grada3.com/us/2025/04/29/as ... el-alonso/

Interesting that they claim there will be a "big" update package in the second half of the season.