Flexiwings 2025

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_cerber1 wrote:
30 Apr 2025, 12:32
Rikhart wrote:
30 Apr 2025, 11:37
I don't understand why the FIA don't just measure this during competition, maybe with some laser measuring tools in each car? I would be absolutely trivial to do, and would destroy this game of "hey, it's legal, it passed the test" and then you see massive, clearly not following rules movement on surfaces.
And what tools have you given the teams to prohibit them from doing this? Don't forget that in a wind tunnel they use a scale model and a limited air flow speed. How do you propose that they control their elements at 300+ km/h?

Personally, I don't understand why anyone doesn't like flexible wings, before this was justified by the fact that the teams' budgets were unlimited, which would make them spend even more, now everything is limited, leave them alone.
I think most people have an issue with the unclear, constantly shifting flexibility requirements laid out by the FIA. The FIA/FOM weaponize the greyness of the flex rules to influence the championship as they see fit

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organic wrote:
30 Apr 2025, 12:33
_cerber1 wrote:
30 Apr 2025, 12:32
Rikhart wrote:
30 Apr 2025, 11:37
I don't understand why the FIA don't just measure this during competition, maybe with some laser measuring tools in each car? I would be absolutely trivial to do, and would destroy this game of "hey, it's legal, it passed the test" and then you see massive, clearly not following rules movement on surfaces.
And what tools have you given the teams to prohibit them from doing this? Don't forget that in a wind tunnel they use a scale model and a limited air flow speed. How do you propose that they control their elements at 300+ km/h?

Personally, I don't understand why anyone doesn't like flexible wings, before this was justified by the fact that the teams' budgets were unlimited, which would make them spend even more, now everything is limited, leave them alone.
I think most people have an issue with the unclear, constantly shifting flexibility requirements laid out by the FIA. The FIA/FOM weaponize the greyness of the flex rules to influence the championship as they see fit
The problem for most people is that FIA let this FlexiF1 continues. For some unknown reason we have see this trend from some teams more than a year and FIA reacts pretty slow, isnt that strange? When AM did that they swift cutted their wings sort of speach but now they dont to the others. They could had said "do whatever you like" but they dont say that and instead say that the will punish it but who ever did this from last year, continues to has huge gains till now. The rest teams dont have the money to invest in this now with the 2026 changes so whoever did this continues to benefit from it.
As this discussion in the mean time goes on, FIA hasnt touched at all the rear wing structure that falls back... which is crazy gain IMO.

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Miami FP1. Mercedes has active aero already. It is insane :lol:

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photos near end of backstraight.
It doesn't turn.

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AR3-GP wrote:
02 May 2025, 19:27
Miami FP1. Mercedes has active aero already. It is insane :lol:

https://i.postimg.cc/FK9Fqyc6/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/k5BMqn1N/image.png

photos near end of backstraight.
What does the TD at spain clamp? Does it clamp this exact movement?
Call a spade, a spade.

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f1isgood wrote:
02 May 2025, 20:01
AR3-GP wrote:
02 May 2025, 19:27
Miami FP1. Mercedes has active aero already. It is insane :lol:

https://i.postimg.cc/FK9Fqyc6/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/k5BMqn1N/image.png

photos near end of backstraight.
What does the TD at spain clamp? Does it clamp this exact movement?
Yes I think so. Wing only allowed to move 10mm instead of 15mm at the load test which means some wing have to become stiffer to pass the test.
It doesn't turn.

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AR3-GP wrote:
02 May 2025, 20:02
f1isgood wrote:
02 May 2025, 20:01
AR3-GP wrote:
02 May 2025, 19:27
Miami FP1. Mercedes has active aero already. It is insane :lol:

https://i.postimg.cc/FK9Fqyc6/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/k5BMqn1N/image.png

photos near end of backstraight.
What does the TD at spain clamp? Does it clamp this exact movement?
Yes I think so. Wing only allowed to move 10mm instead of 15mm at the load test which means some wing have to become stiffer to pass the test.
I see, thanks.
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AR3-GP wrote:
02 May 2025, 19:27
Miami FP1. Mercedes has active aero already. It is insane :lol:

https://i.postimg.cc/FK9Fqyc6/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/k5BMqn1N/image.png

photos near end of backstraight.
An onboard picture from the beginning of the straight would be nice if possible too please. (I don’t access to this season with my F1 TV subscription and even if I did I’m computer illiterate :lol:)
The screenshot of the Red Bull looks as if it hasn’t moved at all which might be misleading to some as I’ve noticed on other cars the top flap starts higher than fixed wing section affixed to the nose. For instance I think the Merc starts off in line with the fixed section then flexes down giving the impression of a ridiculous amount of movement
Just a fan's point of view

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AR3-GP wrote:
02 May 2025, 19:27
Miami FP1. Mercedes has active aero already. It is insane :lol:

https://i.postimg.cc/FK9Fqyc6/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/k5BMqn1N/image.png

photos near end of backstraight.
I have seen the RB wing dip much lower than that, this weekend.

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Rikhart wrote:
04 May 2025, 11:16
AR3-GP wrote:
02 May 2025, 19:27
Miami FP1. Mercedes has active aero already. It is insane :lol:

https://i.postimg.cc/FK9Fqyc6/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/k5BMqn1N/image.png

photos near end of backstraight.
I have seen the RB wing dip much lower than that, this weekend.
Yup most notable at the 45 to 48 second mark. The movement is the entire width of the upper wing flap :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrjQlZE ... l=FORMULA1
"Interplay of triads"

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Quantum wrote:
05 May 2025, 09:57
Rikhart wrote:
04 May 2025, 11:16
AR3-GP wrote:
02 May 2025, 19:27
Miami FP1. Mercedes has active aero already. It is insane :lol:

https://i.postimg.cc/FK9Fqyc6/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/k5BMqn1N/image.png

photos near end of backstraight.
I have seen the RB wing dip much lower than that, this weekend.
Yup most notable at the 45 to 48 second mark. The movement is the entire width of the upper wing flap :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrjQlZE ... l=FORMULA1
ouch.. thats big.. more than 2cm movement.. i though RB had a rigid front wing at least in comparison with the Flex master MB and McLaren secondly...

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bluechris wrote:
05 May 2025, 10:00

ouch.. thats big.. more than 2cm movement.. i though RB had a rigid front wing at least in comparison with the Flex master MB and McLaren secondly...
The focus of the thread has ignored Red Bull I guess.

Lifted from Panther of the Red Bull thread, seems to indicate they are confident McLaren will be nowhere from Spain onwards.
Matteo Bobbi reported some paddock conversations with Red Bull men in which "they say that from Barcelona McLaren will be 'nowhere'", making it clear that they expect a significant decline from the MCL39
https://autoracer.it/it/red-bull-aggior ... td-mclaren
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Quantum wrote:
05 May 2025, 10:09
bluechris wrote:
05 May 2025, 10:00

ouch.. thats big.. more than 2cm movement.. i though RB had a rigid front wing at least in comparison with the Flex master MB and McLaren secondly...
The focus of the thread has ignored Red Bull I guess.

Lifted from Panther of the Red Bull thread, seems to indicate they are confident McLaren will be nowhere from Spain onwards.
Matteo Bobbi reported some paddock conversations with Red Bull men in which "they say that from Barcelona McLaren will be 'nowhere'", making it clear that they expect a significant decline from the MCL39
https://autoracer.it/it/red-bull-aggior ... td-mclaren
Well RB has been doing this from the start of 2025 pretty much, Mclaren for like two years now. I would expect for RB it's a free performance thing, for Mclaren their car's balance might well be completely dependant on this, not to mention the infamous rear wings.

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Rikhart wrote:
05 May 2025, 10:36
Well RB has been doing this from the start of 2025 pretty much, Mclaren for like two years now. I would expect for RB it's a free performance thing, for Mclaren their car's balance might well be completely dependant on this, not to mention the infamous rear wings.
How do we know McLaren is completely dependant on this for their car's balance?

I can say with 100% certainty that I don't know. :lol:
"Interplay of triads"

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Quantum wrote:
05 May 2025, 10:56
Rikhart wrote:
05 May 2025, 10:36
Well RB has been doing this from the start of 2025 pretty much, Mclaren for like two years now. I would expect for RB it's a free performance thing, for Mclaren their car's balance might well be completely dependant on this, not to mention the infamous rear wings.
How do we know McLaren is completely dependant on this for their car's balance?

I can say with 100% certainty that I don't know. :lol:
Notice the use of the word might.

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Rikhart wrote:
05 May 2025, 11:08
Quantum wrote:
05 May 2025, 10:56
Rikhart wrote:
05 May 2025, 10:36
Well RB has been doing this from the start of 2025 pretty much, Mclaren for like two years now. I would expect for RB it's a free performance thing, for Mclaren their car's balance might well be completely dependant on this, not to mention the infamous rear wings.
How do we know McLaren is completely dependant on this for their car's balance?

I can say with 100% certainty that I don't know. :lol:
Notice the use of the word might.
Of course...that's why the question. There will be some impact for the drag benefit alone, but how that correlates to balance is not clear. I don't think it's a massive impact as we have seen baked in designs utilising this development with no major changes (to balance or pecking order).
"Interplay of triads"