2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Fakepivot]

@vanja , thank you for the insight. Damn it was a disappointing race… I think they should have called Charles to pit immediately, but they skip just as he crosses pit entry vac is called.. it maybe bad luck but it was very much on the card that vac or safety car was going to be deployed since bare man was driving so slow.. so Ferrari should not have doubted that..

[dia6olo]

For me, Hamilton reacted the way he did (child like) because he was made to look foolish, he pestered the pit to let him past Leclerc and then failed to drop him.
Now granted some of that was down to the delayed pass, but ultimately he would have never had the pace to pull away from Leclerc and was always in the end going to hold Leclerc up.

He initially had strong pace closing in on Leclerc, but even that was massively exaggerated by the fact that Leclerc was stuck behind Sainz during that period, by the time they both got past Sainz Hamilton was in Leclerc's DRS.

Personally I was of the opinion back when the news broke that Ferrari bringing in Hamilton was a terrible decision and I still believe that, not because he's a bad driver but because at this stage in his career, he was never really going to add all that much to the team and I felt barring a lot of luck or other favourable conditions, he was never really likely to challenge Leclerc.

Now I understand the marketing value but that's of no interest to me, I'm only interested in what he brings to Ferrari F1 and for me he brings little to nothing, I'd actually even argue he detracts from the team by just being there.
Ferrari having a 7 time champion who they spent a lot of money on offering what he is offering really doesn't look good on Ferrari, like I said above, I know there's a marketing side to the deal but I have zero interest in the marketing side!

[deadhead]

Thank you for that insight Vanja as always

[DGP123]

For me, Hamilton reacted the way he did (child like) because he was made to look foolish, he pestered the pit to let him past Leclerc and then failed to drop him.
Now granted some of that was down to the delayed pass, but ultimately he would have never had the pace to pull away from Leclerc and was always in the end going to hold Leclerc up.

He initially had strong pace closing in on Leclerc, but even that was massively exaggerated by the fact that Leclerc was stuck behind Sainz during that period, by the time they both got past Sainz Hamilton was in Leclerc's DRS.

Personally I was of the opinion back when the news broke that Ferrari bringing in Hamilton was a terrible decision and I still believe that, not because he's a bad driver but because at this stage in his career, he was never really going to add all that much to the team and I felt barring a lot of luck or other favourable conditions, he was never really likely to challenge Leclerc.

Now I understand the marketing value but that's of no interest to me, I'm only interested in what he brings to Ferrari F1 and for me he brings little to nothing, I'd actually even argue he detracts from the team by just being there.
Ferrari having a 7 time champion who they spent a lot of money on offering what he is offering really doesn't look good on Ferrari, like I said above, I know there's a marketing side to the deal but I have zero interest in the marketing side!

I still can’t quite fathom out what you expect or want Hamilton to be doing. He can’t win a race, neither can, Charles. Both Championships are gone. What are you expecting, that would have made his signing worthwhile this season? Just being a bit quicker in Q, or slightly ahead of Charles in race trim, would that have appeased you, and made it worthwhile? If the car was a dud, this signing was always going to disappoint this season.

All I see is someone posting and bashing Hamilton for no particular reason, other than you don’t like him, and didn’t want him signed. Point your anger towards this tin pot team, who have once again ballsed another season up.

[ringo]

Vanja goos post. But there is a narrstive and bias for leclerc in the post.
What ultimately matter is that Charles on a hard tyre was compromising Lewis on a soft tyre at the very start of their interaction on track.
You cannot have one guy killing the next guy's strategy because he was in a lower PU mode saving tyres. If he is doing that then he needs to move out of the way.
There was no way Charles was catching antonelli. The whole race he was behind and made not inroads on anyone ahead of him.

Lewis came in front and the gap to antonelli was reducing. Yes i agree that his pace was not great, as you have shown with the data. We could see the live gaps ebbing and flowing, show Lewis had inconsistencies. But at the end of the day, no team would leave a guy on soft tyres behind someone in lower engine mode on a hard tyre saving tyre life. Lewis was in DRS and pushing behind.
Next time they need to let they guy by who is approaching quickly to chase a competitor.
If its just two of them fighting for a podium then fine let them race.
Also Lewis could have overtaken Charles. Lewis being the nice and political guy that he is, is not going to bring out the knives on Charles now. It's clear he was battling up to this point and took it easy behind charles for political and team reasons. He not once attempted a juke or dive on Charles. He's smart enough to save the weaponry till a win is at stake.

[FittingMechanics]

Ferrari doesn't seem to trust their drivers to do the right thing. Maybe because with Sainz/Leclerc they didn't really have that trust to swap back but they need to learn it fast.

It was completely logical to quickly swap Hamilton and Leclerc to try and get Antonelli and then to swap back at the end. The way they did it was the worst, it antagonized the drivers and it lost them at least 2 seconds of race time.

Both Leclerc and Hamilton seem to put Ferrari first. No point in making these prolonged discussions, swap, try it out and swap back at the end (or when the pace differential is once again obvious).

[SoulPancake13]

Ultimately, the Lewis Leclerc situation is a bit manufactured anyways. Ferrari got unlucky with the ending of the VSC putting Charles and Lewis together when they should have been 3-4 seconds apart. I think it was obvious that the team didn't know what to do with Lewis and folded under his pressure. It's weird considering Ferrari didn't do this in Austria 23 which was a similar situation (although the tyre offset makes this more challenging). Ultimately I think Lewis should have just saved tyres and allowed himself to be dragged along by Charles to Antonelli but either way, I don't care about fighting for P6.

[SoulPancake13]

Lately, I'm unable to read the forum properly because of consistent Error 503, so I'm just taking this chance to repost my analysis on the whole disasterclass yesterday with team orders

In case anyone gets the 503 error again, the way to fix it is to remove the sid= part of the url(or I believe you can close the tab and reopen, it is a cookies issue to prevent bots from overloading the website). Thank you for the detailed analysis Vanja, been missing your expertise!

[dia6olo]

For me, Hamilton reacted the way he did (child like) because he was made to look foolish, he pestered the pit to let him past Leclerc and then failed to drop him.
Now granted some of that was down to the delayed pass, but ultimately he would have never had the pace to pull away from Leclerc and was always in the end going to hold Leclerc up.

He initially had strong pace closing in on Leclerc, but even that was massively exaggerated by the fact that Leclerc was stuck behind Sainz during that period, by the time they both got past Sainz Hamilton was in Leclerc's DRS.

Personally I was of the opinion back when the news broke that Ferrari bringing in Hamilton was a terrible decision and I still believe that, not because he's a bad driver but because at this stage in his career, he was never really going to add all that much to the team and I felt barring a lot of luck or other favourable conditions, he was never really likely to challenge Leclerc.

Now I understand the marketing value but that's of no interest to me, I'm only interested in what he brings to Ferrari F1 and for me he brings little to nothing, I'd actually even argue he detracts from the team by just being there.
Ferrari having a 7 time champion who they spent a lot of money on offering what he is offering really doesn't look good on Ferrari, like I said above, I know there's a marketing side to the deal but I have zero interest in the marketing side!

I still can’t quite fathom out what you expect or want Hamilton to be doing. He can’t win a race, neither can, Charles. Both Championships are gone. What are you expecting, that would have made his signing worthwhile this season? Just being a bit quicker in Q, or slightly ahead of Charles in race trim, would that have appeased you, and made it worthwhile? If the car was a dud, this signing was always going to disappoint this season.

All I see is someone posting and bashing Hamilton for no particular reason, other than you don’t like him, and didn’t want him signed. Point your anger towards this tin pot team, who have once again ballsed another season up.

If you can't fathom it it's because you are reading what I said wrongly, I don't expect anything from Hamilton, I never did and I think I made that very clear in my post! I'm not really sure what part of that you don't understand?

My point to the post is what was the point in bringing Hamilton in?
Other than the marketing side of it, it was always going to be a terrible decision for Ferrari F1, he was never going and is never really going to be able to compete with Charles, all it has done is shine a big bright light on Ferrari that reads something like Ferrari are the stupidest team in F1!

[ScuderiaLeo]

Ultimately, the Lewis Leclerc situation is a bit manufactured anyways. Ferrari got unlucky with the ending of the VSC putting Charles and Lewis together when they should have been 3-4 seconds apart. I think it was obvious that the team didn't know what to do with Lewis and folded under his pressure. It's weird considering Ferrari didn't do this in Austria 23 which was a similar situation (although the tyre offset makes this more challenging). Ultimately I think Lewis should have just saved tyres and allowed himself to be dragged along by Charles to Antonelli but either way, I don't care about fighting for P6.

Lol I woke up this morning and thought about all the infighting that would occur in this forum today and sighed remembering it will all be for a P6... A P6!!! Not even a P4 let alone a podium!

The state of this team is so embarrassing... I'm really not confident that this car can be salvaged in a way that makes them seriously competitive. I hope they can keep their morale up during the second half of the season despite what will probably be a difficult time.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Still no corrective Imola package planned as far as AR is aware. (There may be other parts, just not corrective ones.)

[Luscion]

For me, Hamilton reacted the way he did (child like) because he was made to look foolish, he pestered the pit to let him past Leclerc and then failed to drop him.
Now granted some of that was down to the delayed pass, but ultimately he would have never had the pace to pull away from Leclerc and was always in the end going to hold Leclerc up.

He initially had strong pace closing in on Leclerc, but even that was massively exaggerated by the fact that Leclerc was stuck behind Sainz during that period, by the time they both got past Sainz Hamilton was in Leclerc's DRS.

Personally I was of the opinion back when the news broke that Ferrari bringing in Hamilton was a terrible decision and I still believe that, not because he's a bad driver but because at this stage in his career, he was never really going to add all that much to the team and I felt barring a lot of luck or other favourable conditions, he was never really likely to challenge Leclerc.

Now I understand the marketing value but that's of no interest to me, I'm only interested in what he brings to Ferrari F1 and for me he brings little to nothing, I'd actually even argue he detracts from the team by just being there.
Ferrari having a 7 time champion who they spent a lot of money on offering what he is offering really doesn't look good on Ferrari, like I said above, I know there's a marketing side to the deal but I have zero interest in the marketing side!

I still can’t quite fathom out what you expect or want Hamilton to be doing. He can’t win a race, neither can, Charles. Both Championships are gone. What are you expecting, that would have made his signing worthwhile this season? Just being a bit quicker in Q, or slightly ahead of Charles in race trim, would that have appeased you, and made it worthwhile? If the car was a dud, this signing was always going to disappoint this season.

All I see is someone posting and bashing Hamilton for no particular reason, other than you don’t like him, and didn’t want him signed. Point your anger towards this tin pot team, who have once again ballsed another season up.

If you can't fathom it it's because you are reading what I said wrongly, I don't expect anything from Hamilton, I never did and I think I made that very clear in my post! I'm not really sure what part of that you don't understand?

My point to the post is what was the point in bringing Hamilton in?
Other than the marketing side of it, it was always going to be a terrible decision for Ferrari F1, he was never going and is never really going to be able to compete with Charles, all it has done is shine a big bright light on Ferrari that reads something like Ferrari are the stupidest team in F1!

Lewis has already gotten Ferrari their first sprint win, in the second race of the season and got another podium for them in the sprint this weekend due to his call. The blaming the drivers thing is annoying tbh when the clear issue is the car, there's been multiple articles from Autoracer alone saying how bad the car's balance issues are, that it has a very weak rear end, running 3mm higher than it should be and has a very small working window. Both drivers complained about how bad the car is this weekend, hell, both of them damn near got knocked out in q2, Leclerc got through by 0.039 secs and said he was lucky to make it through, both got outqualified by Williams and Leclerc couldnt make a dent into Albon come the race.

[DGP123]

My point to the post is what was the point in bringing Hamilton in?
Other than the marketing side of it, it was always going to be a terrible decision for Ferrari F1, he was never going and is never really going to be able to compete with Charles

He’s won a sprint, less than a tenth off the supposed fastest man over one lap in Q in Miami, and was nip & tuck with him yesterday in the race. He’s learning, steadily improving, and clearly able to compete.

You’ve written him off, because you don’t like him, and never wanted him to be signed. Thankfully, Ferrari won’t do the same and are in this for the long haul, unlike you, who’s made a judgement after six races, in what is, a complete dud of a car.

[Sevach]

Still no corrective Imola package planned as far as AR is aware. (There may be other parts, just not corrective ones.)

So in the sim they designed a car that would run a few Mls lower, but they can't actually run this low without getting DSQ and they don't yet know how to get there?

Not only this season is a bust, i'd be very concerned about this same group designing future cars.

[Luscion]

Still no corrective Imola package planned as far as AR is aware. (There may be other parts, just not corrective ones.)

So in the sim they designed a car that would run a few Mls lower, but they can't actually run this low without getting DSQ and they don't yet know how to get there?

Not only this season is a bust, i'd be very concerned about this same group designing future cars.

i dont think its that they dont know, its that theyre seemingly waiting until Barcelona to introduce them

"For Ferrari, small adjustments. A package defined as 'giant' will be deployed later, perhaps across multiple events, but a revised rear end may arrive after the introduction of the TD in Spain.

https://autoracer.it/it/mclaren-red-bul ... rrari-sf25