2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Sevach]

https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-sf25-pr ... iore-serra

Let's see when this suspension comes.

[deadhead]

Makes little sense in regards to saving this season so if true this is about 2026.

Massive mistakes were made over the winter it seems

[FittingMechanics]

If the car can't run at designed ride height due to plank wear, that is because the suspension is not keeping the ride height stable enough.

Fix for that being a new fixed suspension makes perfect sense.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Makes little sense in regards to saving this season so if true this is about 2026.

Massive mistakes were made over the winter it seems

It states explicitly in the article this would be for the SF-25.

Unless you meant they're trying to fix it so they can better understand and apply things to the 2026 car too, in which case I agree.

My main worry is they rush this package (which is turning out to be very big), and it ends up making everything worse lol!

[deadhead]

Yes, I mean it will help with the 2026 car and it won’t make a difference as far as winning the WCC is concerned this year.

I’m just curious if this is the same issue they had with the Barcelona package last year where the aero load was simply too much for the suspension to handle, just exaggerated even more?

I thought this rear suspension is a carry over from 2024 so they must’ve known this could happen because it already did…

Regardless, I’m calling this the suspension formula because we are at the end of the cycle and that seems to be an extremely important component for extracting performance out of these cars.

[ringo]

Yes it is indeed a suspension formula.
There only so many ways the underfloor can be shaped so the floor development can be easily tapped out by most teams. There is more dynamics and mystery with suspension and its rideheight control for straights, braking, bumps, acceleration, corners, switch backs etc.

There was an image of last year's McLaren floor. Most of the wear was on the front bib and also at the rear axle. The top teams are scraping the floor at these areas. Ferrari may be using this same floor performance philosophy but just have not mastered controlling it.
They should be able to fix this and redesign a suspension with 6 races of rideheight data collection.

[Vanja #66]

Makes little sense in regards to saving this season so if true this is about 2026.

the current part would work very well in 26, probably better than new design if my expectations turn out to be true

the new part needs to handle peak GE end-of-year 2025 loads in high speed (which is where the current solution doesn't handle the load and leads to higher plank wear), with the least roll and least possible bouncing, while also providing softer compression rate at low speed traction zones when ride height is greater

nothing like that is gonna happen in 2026 - smaller floors, much less ground effect, smaller diffuser, regulated kick size...

[deadhead]

How can they achieve this without the need of a fresh crash test?

[Vanja #66]

How can they achieve this without the need of a fresh crash test?

Why would they need it?

[Z-one]

How can they achieve this without the need of a fresh crash test?

Changing the transmission box dose not need other crash test，just change the hard point then you can change the geo of rear suspension，but change the geo of front is another story， changing hard point means changing the monocoque. and according to regulation, monocoque in each team has been identified and you could only produce the monocoque of the same specification. but there are also exception, in 2023, MB changed the geo front suspension, by increasing hard point at the surface of monocoque, they produced W14B with larger anti-dive.

also they used their magic in 2024, but they reduce their anti-dive, because there were two spec hard point in their original monocoque

[venkyhere]

I have a feeling that the root cause of everything is 'driver needs to sit more rearwards' hard requirement on SF-25 w.r.t SF-24, and that led to the shorter gearbox and produced a domino effect of changes like different weight distribution, suspension redesign etc etc and resulted in this quagmire.
And I have a gut feel that this hard requirement came from their new driver signing, who must have pulled his weight with upper management (Elkkaan) over the entire year-in-waiting last season.

[DJ Downforce]

I have a feeling that the root cause of everything is 'driver needs to sit more rearwards' hard requirement on SF-25 w.r.t SF-24, and that led to the shorter gearbox and produced a domino effect of changes like different weight distribution, suspension redesign etc etc and resulted in this quagmire.
And I have a gut feel that this hard requirement came from their new driver signing, who must have pulled his weight with upper management (Elkkaan) over the entire year-in-waiting last season.

It's absolutely nuts some of the rumours people spread here. How about we give the technical team some slack for this mistake rather than a driver lol

[dia6olo]

Makes little sense in regards to saving this season so if true this is about 2026.

Massive mistakes were made over the winter it seems

Totally agree, if underneath it all it is really all about trying stuff out for 2026 then it makes sense.

At this stage for me, trying stuff out with 2026 in mind is pretty much the only thing that makes sense, I guess some of the stuff they could try out with 2026 in mind will be of limited use, or at the very least not paint a full picture because the cars are going to be a good bit different, but non the less I feel that's what Ferrari should now be doing.

Realistically, even with a major fix/turnaround over the next 2/3 race weekends is now to late, at best they could get back on track and maybe somehow pinch a second place in the constructors.
Personally I'm tired of finishing 2nd or 3rd, Ferrari have been doing that for way to long now.

[ScuderiaLeo]

It's absolutely nuts some of the rumours people spread here. How about we give the technical team some slack for this mistake rather than a driver lol

My Uncle's best friend's cousin's father in law's brother told me a rumor that Hamilton and Leclerc hate each other and Hamilton is in charge of car development to sabotage Leclerc!

[atanatizante]

Some thoughts from AR. https://autoracer.it/it/analisi-miami-q ... i-mercedes

The U.S. trip witnessed the worst Ferrari of the season, rivaling only Saturday in Melbourne. Adjustments made by the engineers shifted the balance more towards the front, showing improvement in fast corners and traction compared to the Sprint Shootout lap. Yet this wasn't enough, with a half-second gap from pole position—potentially seven-tenths if Norris had assembled a clean lap. The SF-25 lacks aerodynamic downforce, with balance deficiencies causing huge losses in slow sections—a well-known issue this weekend in Miami. Raising the car compared to the Sprint caused substantial performance losses: a severe judgment in this car generation, where generating downforce across a broad ride-height range is crucial.
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On Friday just after 9 laps into the free practice Adami was telling HAM to box for planck check ... the rumors says that due to kerbing at turn 8 and particularly in turn 15 they were raised the car more than 3mm, which is a big loss in DF but also altering the car aero map thus unbalancing the car ...

Regarding this matter, I`ve found some pictures in order to prove my case ...






This plank issue is due to running with a little rake at the rear in order to increase diffuser DF and thus decrease the rear instability that both drivers, and particularly HAM, are moaning about. This rake was embedded from the beggining in the SF25 design but after FP1 in Melbourne, especially running hard over the kerb in turn 11, they realised that the front part of the plank (at the bib area) is prone to wear out more and the solution was to rise the ride height for the entire weekend. The proof of wearing the plank front part was due to their DSQ in China, where only the 2 sides titan bolts in front of the plank were affected. The culprit was due to HAM`s softer car setup choice, which caused the car to roll more than LEC`s car in the high-speed corners. And this is not the whole damage they are facing. Since China, they`ve always needed to raise the ride height of the car just to be on the conservative side.

Now, the new floor update in Jeddah was scheduled as an upgrade for the car and has nothing to do with the plank issue. At Bahrain tests, they didn`t spot this issue coz both the track layout and their test program didn`t allow them to do performance running and trying extreme setups, which involved lowering the car to the optimum height based on their simulations. So as we could see, their updates schedule is now postponed, but not for the fact that they are waiting for the Barcelona TD18 directive to take effect or for further car tinkering, as Vasseur said to the press. The real reason is that they need time now to solve this plank issue by studying the new aero map and finally by designing a new floor. And this involves time for new CFD and WT running, then building the new parts and so forth, which is always a time-consuming matter, something that also leads to postponing other upgrades that were in the pipeline ...

All of these actions must be seen mainly through the budget cap and the new 2026 car. And this is a fine balancing act deciding when to switch their resources to the new car. Fortunately for us fans, all the Ferrari bosses' statements are optimistic (PR BS?), saying that they are not quitting with the SF25 upgrades yet ...