2026 Regs potential delay - Discussion

[mzso]

Why would RB be against this engine formula? They only ever designed an engine for this, they literally have nothing else...

The news this year explicitly mention that no changes to the formula are expected for at least some years.

RBR is operating with engines the same way they do with drivers.
They keep Honda engines(even if shared with Aston) and tell Ford deal is off or postponed, redirect their engineers to help Honda.

Why would they do that? They spent a lot of money to develop the engines. Hired several experienced F1 engine designers. As a bonus they got Ford on board as well. And by all accounts the development is going fine.

[organic]

Why would RB be against this engine formula? They only ever designed an engine for this, they literally have nothing else...

The news this year explicitly mention that no changes to the formula are expected for at least some years.

Lol RB don't want current rules because they won't be competitive

It's not about the current rules it's about the 2026 rules. He claimed RB is against the 2026 rules and wants it scrapped.

By " current rules " I meant current proposed iteration of 2026 rules since it tends to change depending on the week's whim

[mzso]

Lol RB don't want current rules because they won't be competitive

It's not about the current rules it's about the 2026 rules. He claimed RB is against the 2026 rules and wants it scrapped.

By " current rules " I meant current proposed iteration of 2026 rules since it tends to change depending on the week's whim

You mean the ones that are pretty much finalized? Even if a bunch of people are making eclectic proposals.

[Macklaren]

Are we going to get 11 black cars next year with colored mirrors? CHANGE THE RULES!

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-t ... /10720824/

[mzso]

Are we going to get 11 black cars next year with colored mirrors? CHANGE THE RULES!

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-t ... /10720824/

I guess they could add a mandatory paintjob rule. Then problem solved.

[TeamKoolGreen]

As I said a year ago , the 2026 cars will be heavier than today's cars. Lowering the weight limit doesn't make cars lighter. Especially when you make the batteries bigger.

And yes , there will be 20 black cars. And all 20 will still be heavier than the 2025 cars

[carisi2k]

Unless they allow regen on the front wheels they will never be able to regenerate the required power. Better to get rid of the battery and reduce the weight signifcantly.

[mzso]

As I said a year ago , the 2026 cars will be heavier than today's cars. Lowering the weight limit doesn't make cars lighter. Especially when you make the batteries bigger.

And yes , there will be 20 black cars. And all 20 will still be heavier than the 2025 cars

You might have said it. It wasn't proven true. And I don't expect it to be come 2026.
I would be surprised if not anyone is below the current limit. If not for anything else performance reasons. Even sacrificing some battery capacity if necessary.
I expect the top teams being closer to the new weight limit at least than the old one.

[mzso]

Unless they allow regen on the front wheels they will never be able to regenerate the required power. Better to get rid of the battery and reduce the weight signifcantly.

The ICE has power in abundance. It will be a question of opportunity and fuel consumption to scavenge enough energy.

I can imagine them going with much undersized batteries in Monza. Though it would be tricky to introduce an undersized storage units, useful for just a few races.

[carisi2k]

Unless they allow regen on the front wheels they will never be able to regenerate the required power. Better to get rid of the battery and reduce the weight signifcantly.

The ICE has power in abundance. It will be a question of opportunity and fuel consumption to scavenge enough energy.

I can imagine them going with much undersized batteries in Monza. Though it would be tricky to introduce an undersized storage units, useful for just a few races.

I suspect the ICE units will be more powerful then what the FIA wants. I know the FIA stipulated 350kw to be 50/50 with the battey but I suspect that most of the engines will have at least 400-450kw and some maybe close to 500kw by Melbourne next year.

[TeamKoolGreen]

Unless they allow regen on the front wheels they will never be able to regenerate the required power. Better to get rid of the battery and reduce the weight signifcantly.

The ICE has power in abundance. It will be a question of opportunity and fuel consumption to scavenge enough energy.

I can imagine them going with much undersized batteries in Monza. Though it would be tricky to introduce an undersized storage units, useful for just a few races.

The batteries are basically spec. As the ice is. You can't opt for an inline 4 for certain races either

I hope I'm wrong. And by some miracle these cars with much bigger batteries and power units will somehow weigh less than cars with smaller batteries and power units.

[Tommy Cookers]

...And by some miracle these cars with much bigger batteries and power units will somehow weigh less than cars with smaller batteries and power units.

'much bigger' batteries ?

iirc the batteries are only slightly bigger
(and much smaller relative to the 192% increase in electrical power)

[mzso]

Unless they allow regen on the front wheels they will never be able to regenerate the required power. Better to get rid of the battery and reduce the weight signifcantly.

The ICE has power in abundance. It will be a question of opportunity and fuel consumption to scavenge enough energy.

I can imagine them going with much undersized batteries in Monza. Though it would be tricky to introduce an undersized storage units, useful for just a few races.

The batteries are basically spec. As the ice is. You can't opt for an inline 4 for certain races either

I hope I'm wrong. And by some miracle these cars with much bigger batteries and power units will somehow weigh less than cars with smaller batteries and power units.

Not what I remember. There's maximum allowed energy usage and weight limits
I don't remember them moving to the same battery for everyone.

[bananapeel23]

Unless they allow regen on the front wheels they will never be able to regenerate the required power. Better to get rid of the battery and reduce the weight signifcantly.

The ICE has power in abundance. It will be a question of opportunity and fuel consumption to scavenge enough energy.

I can imagine them going with much undersized batteries in Monza. Though it would be tricky to introduce an undersized storage units, useful for just a few races.

I suspect the ICE units will be more powerful then what the FIA wants. I know the FIA stipulated 350kw to be 50/50 with the battey but I suspect that most of the engines will have at least 400-450kw and some maybe close to 500kw by Melbourne next year.

How do you expect them to produce an ICE that is significantly MORE effecient than what they have now after the FIA cut out several of the main drivers of the current engine efficiency. To get 500kw out of the 2026 ICE, you would need it to get about 8% more bang out of the fuel than the current ICE does, all while being significantly less complex.

That isn't happening. I would be extremely impressed if they even matched the 2025 ICE for efficiency, let alone massively surpassed it.

[carisi2k]

The ICE has power in abundance. It will be a question of opportunity and fuel consumption to scavenge enough energy.

I can imagine them going with much undersized batteries in Monza. Though it would be tricky to introduce an undersized storage units, useful for just a few races.

I suspect the ICE units will be more powerful then what the FIA wants. I know the FIA stipulated 350kw to be 50/50 with the battey but I suspect that most of the engines will have at least 400-450kw and some maybe close to 500kw by Melbourne next year.

How do you expect them to produce an ICE that is significantly MORE effecient than what they have now after the FIA cut out several of the main drivers of the current engine efficiency. To get 500kw out of the 2026 ICE, you would need it to get about 8% more bang out of the fuel than the current ICE does, all while being significantly less complex.

That isn't happening. I would be extremely impressed if they even matched the 2025 ICE for efficiency, let alone massively surpassed it.

The current engines have been frozen for 4 years. Surely the PU manufacturers will find new ways. Kinetic only energy recovery just isn't going to provide enough energy to the battery. The current K was only responsible for 60kw of the current 120kw recovery and it couldn't even provide that on certain circuits so how will the K now regenerate all 350kw of that energy without adding recovery from the front axle. The Gen 2 formula e could only generate 250kw from an electric platform racing on circuits dedicated to maximizing that recovery. Formula 1 doesn't have that with much larger circuits with higher speeds.