2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[DJ Downforce]

3) Talent and hierarchy coexist. You can have incredible engineers undermined by internal politics. That doesn’t negate the talent, it exposes structural friction.

This is definitely the most proven point. Look at McLaren now for proof, as soon as Stella sorted out the structure they started producing very competitive cars.

[Emag]

Both of you need to get a sense of perspective. The two points can be true at the same time.

Maybe Ferrari don't get the absolute best up and coming engineers, but their results show that this hasn't hindered them completely. If not for a few crashes last year - Ferrari would've had the WCC, seems pretty good to me.

You guys should join me in the balanced camp, not the two extremes.

Fair take... And you’re right, two things can be true. Ferrari’s not crippled by location, and they’re also not coasting on privilege.

As for emag... He’s busy reverse engineering his own comment history like it’s sacred scripture, just to prove he never used the word “handicapped.” We get it. When your argument’s foundation starts to crack, retreat into semantics and hope nobody notices the smoke.

And let’s be honest... If pointing out a layered issue makes someone “spiral,” maybe the real issue isn’t comprehension… it’s ego bruised by nuance. If that’s the bar, maybe nuance isn’t the problem... Attention span is.

I’m not here to sift through posts full of projection and irony-laced ego trips. You claimed it’s not personal, but the tone, jabs, and obsessive deflection say otherwise. Don’t mistake overcompensation for clarity. I’m not playing along anymore.

Have a nice life buddy.

[Silent Storm]

3) Talent and hierarchy coexist. You can have incredible engineers undermined by internal politics. That doesn’t negate the talent, it exposes structural friction.

This is definitely the most proven point. Look at McLaren now for proof, as soon as Stella sorted out the structure they started producing very competitive cars.

Funny how when this logic is applied to Woking, it’s seen as evolution, but when it’s applied to Maranello, suddenly it’s contradiction.

[Silent Storm]

Both of you need to get a sense of perspective. The two points can be true at the same time.

Maybe Ferrari don't get the absolute best up and coming engineers, but their results show that this hasn't hindered them completely. If not for a few crashes last year - Ferrari would've had the WCC, seems pretty good to me.

You guys should join me in the balanced camp, not the two extremes.

Fair take... And you’re right, two things can be true. Ferrari’s not crippled by location, and they’re also not coasting on privilege.

As for emag... He’s busy reverse engineering his own comment history like it’s sacred scripture, just to prove he never used the word “handicapped.” We get it. When your argument’s foundation starts to crack, retreat into semantics and hope nobody notices the smoke.

And let’s be honest... If pointing out a layered issue makes someone “spiral,” maybe the real issue isn’t comprehension… it’s ego bruised by nuance. If that’s the bar, maybe nuance isn’t the problem... Attention span is.

I’m not here to sift through posts full of projection and irony-laced ego trips. You claimed it’s not personal, but the tone, jabs, and obsessive deflection say otherwise. Don’t mistake overcompensation for clarity. I’m not playing along anymore.

Have a nice life buddy.

Respect the exit... Grace is rare. But don’t rewrite the script: I addressed your points, and you resorted to tone policing. If that felt personal, perhaps the mirror did more than just reflect.

No hard feelings. Good debates sharpen perspectives... Even if not everyone leaves unscathed.

You’re not "done", you just ran out of moves. If clarity comes off as deflection to you, then maybe you weren’t ready for a reply that didn’t fold.

And really, no need for the dramatic sign off. Nobody’s grading this, and we’re not in uni anymore. Walk offs only work when the audience claps. This one’s just the lights going out mid act.

[FittingMechanics]

To me, as an outsider who doesn't really follow Ferrari politics that much, it seems that the biggest issue is that Ferrari is under pressure to deliver every year, every race. You can't throw away a season to invest in the future. You would lose your job.

[F1NAC]

To me, as an outsider who doesn't really follow Ferrari politics that much, it seems that the biggest issue is that Ferrari is under pressure to deliver every year, every race. You can't throw away a season to invest in the future. You would lose your job.

That definitely plays a part. That non sense regarding base in England etc... I mean look, WEC team rocks.

[Fakepivot]

wec team has BOP, last year they messed up plenty I mean very amateurish mistake were made. if you compare f1 team vs wec team of last year, f1 team did Much much better job, but I keep seeing this comparison on social media a lot. its irritating read this kind of comment.

[deadhead]

WEC doesn’t require the same level of engineering as F1?

[ScuderiaLeo]

As far as I know WEC is also a different team? They have a different technical director and everything right?

https://autoracer.it/it/analisi-potenzi ... 5-problemi

According to AR, the timeline for a "fix" is very long and it's not guaranteed they'll find one or that they'll be able to use it. As for why they're using so many resources to save this car, due to the team being who they are (prestige, reputation) they can't just accept being behind Williams in the WCC. Engineers also believe it'll help their development for 2026 to understand the flaws of 2025's car. There is also an unwavering belief in Maranello that a car with the mechanical parts fixed would be competitive (for wins) right away. These reasons are why they aren't shifting focus to 2026 like some suggest.

[ringo]

Is there more opportunity to test wec technologies in many ways?
Ferrari have many testing programs that can help develop wec.
There is also the matter of detail and competition. I do not think it is as high and demanding as F1.

Anyhow Ferrari will forever be bridesmaid without a change in culture and operation. A poster mentioned how GE kept the old guys in the key roles and suppressed the young talent.
Ferrari could be like this. Run like a government company or an old cash cow product company that cars more about rewarding loyalty and the culture than all out performance.
It's hard to tell of they hire amd retain based on merrit.

[Fakepivot]

here is also an unwavering belief in Maranello that a car with the mechanical parts fixed would be competitive (for wins) right away. These reasons are why they aren't shifting focus to 2026 like some suggest.

Good to hear, they are still in high spirit.. hope it works out

[Matt2725]

To me, as an outsider who doesn't really follow Ferrari politics that much, it seems that the biggest issue is that Ferrari is under pressure to deliver every year, every race. You can't throw away a season to invest in the future. You would lose your job.

That definitely plays a part. That non sense regarding base in England etc... I mean look, WEC team rocks.

The WEC team is operated by AF Corse alongside their own entry. Ferrari themselves lend their name only.

.....they can't just accept being behind Williams in the WCC. Engineers also believe it'll help their development for 2026 to understand the flaws of 2025's car. There is also an unwavering belief in Maranello that a car with the mechanical parts fixed would be competitive (for wins) right away. These reasons are why they aren't shifting focus to 2026 like some suggest.

Reads like a team flailing and desperate with an added pinch of delusion. Not sure I'd be so optimistic about their ability to turn things around if that's the attitude within the team.

[DJ Downforce]

As far as I know WEC is also a different team? They have a different technical director and everything right?

https://autoracer.it/it/analisi-potenzi ... 5-problemi

According to AR, the timeline for a "fix" is very long and it's not guaranteed they'll find one or that they'll be able to use it. As for why they're using so many resources to save this car, due to the team being who they are (prestige, reputation) they can't just accept being behind Williams in the WCC. Engineers also believe it'll help their development for 2026 to understand the flaws of 2025's car. There is also an unwavering belief in Maranello that a car with the mechanical parts fixed would be competitive (for wins) right away. These reasons are why they aren't shifting focus to 2026 like some suggest.

The W13 was also meant to be 1 second faster if they could just fix a few pesky issues.......

I just hope it comes soon so I don't build up too much hopium.

[Waz]

As far as I know WEC is also a different team? They have a different technical director and everything right?

https://autoracer.it/it/analisi-potenzi ... 5-problemi

According to AR, the timeline for a "fix" is very long and it's not guaranteed they'll find one or that they'll be able to use it. As for why they're using so many resources to save this car, due to the team being who they are (prestige, reputation) they can't just accept being behind Williams in the WCC. Engineers also believe it'll help their development for 2026 to understand the flaws of 2025's car. There is also an unwavering belief in Maranello that a car with the mechanical parts fixed would be competitive (for wins) right away. These reasons are why they aren't shifting focus to 2026 like some suggest.

The W13 was also meant to be 1 second faster if they could just fix a few pesky issues.......

I just hope it comes soon so I don't build up too much hopium.

A major difference between Ferrari and Mercedes in this set of regs is that Ferrari have built better cars and have that data to use for troubleshooting the SF25.

Mercedes only had theoretically faster updates that perform a certain way.

[DJ Downforce]

As far as I know WEC is also a different team? They have a different technical director and everything right?

https://autoracer.it/it/analisi-potenzi ... 5-problemi

According to AR, the timeline for a "fix" is very long and it's not guaranteed they'll find one or that they'll be able to use it. As for why they're using so many resources to save this car, due to the team being who they are (prestige, reputation) they can't just accept being behind Williams in the WCC. Engineers also believe it'll help their development for 2026 to understand the flaws of 2025's car. There is also an unwavering belief in Maranello that a car with the mechanical parts fixed would be competitive (for wins) right away. These reasons are why they aren't shifting focus to 2026 like some suggest.

The W13 was also meant to be 1 second faster if they could just fix a few pesky issues.......

I just hope it comes soon so I don't build up too much hopium.

A major difference between Ferrari and Mercedes in this set of regs is that Ferrari have built better cars and have that data to use for troubleshooting the SF25.

Mercedes only had theoretically faster updates that perform a certain way.

W13 - at the start was way slower but by seasons end was at a similar pace to the f175 at some tracks

W14- Mercedes finished ahead in constructors so you could argue they had a better car over the season

W15 - sf24 definitely way better apart from mid season

W16 - better than Ferrari so far

That's about 2-2 so I don't think it's fair to say Ferrari have been way better.