2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[ringo]

It is said Loic Sera will be at Imola watching the cars. He's reportledly working on the new suspension to fix the rideheight issues.
Looks like the team messed up by assuming some of the SF24 windtunnel/cfd correlations would apply to the SF25. They were expecting a certain outcome on the track and it did not materialize.
This kind of shenanigans somewhat reinforces the argument that the team needs an overhaul or new culture.
If the they fix the problem and sf25 is suddenly the fastest on the grid... Ferrari would have just lost themselves a championship by defeating themselves even before the season started.

I ask this completely sincerely:

Prior to Lewis Hamilton's arrival at Ferrari, did you have any familiarity with, and/or had you performed research regarding Ferrari's leadership structure and technical team?

I frequented the 2023 and particularly the 2024 Ferrari team and technical threads, and I cannot recall seeing you participating in those conversations/dialogues with any regularity. Yet you offer constant speculation (rooted in often questionable assumptions, posed as statements of fact) regarding Ferrari's issues and missteps, and seem to suggest that their errors in developing the SF-25 were obviously avoidable and that these mistakes should lead to personnel changes (or that they should've changed personnel prior to this happening).

Do you know how many engineers have cycled through Ferrari since 2023? Are you familiar with some of the longtime engineering staff who didn't mesh with Vasseur and are no longer with the team? Are you familiar with any of the new personnel who have been hired? One can rattle off the names of 10+ new engineers who've been hired since Vasseur took over as TP.

Had Charles Leclerc landed at Mercedes, and a flock of Ferrari fans with little-to-no familiarity about Mercedes' F1 team rocked up and began claiming to have all the answers for a struggling team they'd had an interest in supporting for no more than six total race weekends, it'd very likely come across as unbecoming (among other things).

I have been watching F1 from 1999.
Hamilton debut was 2007.
The sport is bigger than online threads with overly obsessed fans.
When so called hamilton fans post in other threads they are asked why sre they posting there. So it seems the modern F1 fan should be a dedicated loyalist to an individual team or driver.
It's ok to support a handful of drivers or teams, even if there are levels of preference.
There are many Shumacher supporters who gravitated to Lewis when Michael left in 2006.
Maybe they were bandwagonist who did not really have a reason to support Ferrari if Michael was not driving one. Then Michael went to Mercedes, then Hamilton went there. Alonso went from Ferrari to Mclaren.
Makes no sense drawings lines about F1 fans. You're going to drive yourself crazy coming up with ignorant theories about who is allowed to support what team.
Just live and enjoy the sport.

[Vanja #66]

Where does your seeming confidence in the Ferrari technical department come from?

They've been on an upwards path since SF23B was introduced, they've done well to sort out some tyre issues and enable themselves to do races like Monza 24 or Jeddah 25. Nothing gave any impression they'd mess up this bad with such a crucial design concept flaw, but it's not the worst thing that happened

The lack of commitment to sort out the most painful problem is the worst for me. It's not an easy decision for Serra to make as he came too late last year to have a full understanding of all the details of SF25 - especially since his time is split between 25 and 26 cars

I've underestimated the amount of personal vanity some former engineering leads seem to have, which is probably the worst character flaw an engineering lead could have

[venkyhere]

The rear suspension cannot be stiffer. That seems to be the 'layman understandable' root cause.
But engineering wise, this is just a 'fallout'. What is the actual root cause of this limitation ?
Not seeing that disclosed anywhere (even though there was a rumour about gearbox casing being not strong enough to take the loads from a stiff suspension).

[Vanja #66]

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[DJ Downforce]

[F1NAC]

It is said Loic Sera will be at Imola watching the cars. He's reportledly working on the new suspension to fix the rideheight issues.
Looks like the team messed up by assuming some of the SF24 windtunnel/cfd correlations would apply to the SF25. They were expecting a certain outcome on the track and it did not materialize.
This kind of shenanigans somewhat reinforces the argument that the team needs an overhaul or new culture.
If the they fix the problem and sf25 is suddenly the fastest on the grid... Ferrari would have just lost themselves a championship by defeating themselves even before the season started.

I mean, calling for team overhaul, while team is basically newish regarding in positions of key people since Bino left is a bit overreacting.

One thing that I noticed is that in this gen cars, there is much more instances where teams bring dozens of updates and a lot of them doesn't work like it should. It happened on RB, Merc, McL, Ferrari... It seems that this cars are sensitive AF in regard of aerobalancing the platform and keeping it mechanically stable.

[Vanja #66]

My take on rear end core issue is in car thread

viewtopic.php?p=1284687#p1284687

[Space-heat]

It is said Loic Sera will be at Imola watching the cars. He's reportledly working on the new suspension to fix the rideheight issues.
Looks like the team messed up by assuming some of the SF24 windtunnel/cfd correlations would apply to the SF25. They were expecting a certain outcome on the track and it did not materialize.
This kind of shenanigans somewhat reinforces the argument that the team needs an overhaul or new culture.
If the they fix the problem and sf25 is suddenly the fastest on the grid... Ferrari would have just lost themselves a championship by defeating themselves even before the season started.

I mean, calling for team overhaul, while team is basically newish regarding in positions of key people since Bino left is a bit overreacting.

Completely agree. I think more consideration needs to be given to timelines and try to avoid over reactions.

As Vanja mentioned earlier. Since the SF23B (Vasseur start point) the technical team has been progressing well. The Barcelona 24' package and launch SF25 are clear mistakes. Clearly Vasseur wants to improve the technical team leadership (chasing Wache/Newey) and Serra only started recently. If the 26' car is a dud then I can understand calling for an overhaul but successful teams are teams that maintain some degree of continuity. Continually ripping out the TP every 2/3 year, will lead no where.

[deadhead]

It is said Loic Sera will be at Imola watching the cars. He's reportledly working on the new suspension to fix the rideheight issues.
Looks like the team messed up by assuming some of the SF24 windtunnel/cfd correlations would apply to the SF25. They were expecting a certain outcome on the track and it did not materialize.
This kind of shenanigans somewhat reinforces the argument that the team needs an overhaul or new culture.
If the they fix the problem and sf25 is suddenly the fastest on the grid... Ferrari would have just lost themselves a championship by defeating themselves even before the season started.

I mean, calling for team overhaul, while team is basically newish regarding in positions of key people since Bino left is a bit overreacting.

Completely agree. I think more consideration needs to be given to timelines and try to avoid over reactions.

As Vanja mentioned earlier. Since the SF23B (Vasseur start point) the technical team has been progressing well. The Barcelona 24' package and launch SF25 are clear mistakes. Clearly Vasseur wants to improve the technical team leadership (chasing Wache/Newey) and Serra only started recently. If the 26' car is a dud then I can understand calling for an overhaul but successful teams are teams that maintain some degree of continuity. Continually ripping out the TP every 2/3 year, will lead no where.

I believe Vasseur is the main reason Newey isn’t at Ferrari right now

[ScuderiaLeo]

There have been more reports lately about Ferrari chasing Wache. AR even mentioned it in their last few streams... in passing as more of a tease than anything. I wonder if we'll see anything come out of it and if there's any real discussions going on, or just paddock talk.

[Vanja #66]

I believe Vasseur is the main reason Newey isn’t at Ferrari right now

Oh for foks sake already, the man DOES NOT want to live in Italy by any means

Stroll gave him an insane financial offer to make him EVEN CONSIDER working full time again, instead of being part-time super consultant at Ferrari

Newey himself confirmed this, can we please finally let go of Newey nonsense

[ringo]

True. Look what he did for Torro Rosso. the Italian sister team over 20 years to Newey at RedBull.. Nothing, nada!
Not even a few weeks to transfer knowledge to bring them up the field. Newey probably doesn't even speak any Italian.
He would be just another employee at Ferrari, which is the opposite of what he was looking for at the end of his career.
Stroll is giving Newey the opportunity to stay in England, have ownership, and veto powers.
Newey has a little ego, as quiet as he appears. He can make a bigger mark on Aston Martin cars as a whole than he would at Ferrari. Not much legacy is attached to the individual designers of the Shumacher championship Ferrari cars.
The same would happen to Newey if he made a champion car for Ferrari. The car would not be seen or remembered as his brainchild.

[Xyz22]

Small OT but for the first time we have a very rare onboard from MSC first pole position with Ferrari.

Unbelievable.

https://x.com/F1/status/1922651865344344398

[ringo]

Hamilton continues to bring more money than he is being paid. Safe to say is pretty much driving the Ferrari for free at this point, only 5 months into his employment.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-ham ... eal-signed

How this benefits the team and not just Hamilton would need to be detailed eventually, but 9 Billion sounds ridiculous.
It could go the length of his Ferrari contract or even some time after that.
Ferrari really need a good car to to further milk partnerships with Lewis. Sponsors like winning cars.

[deadhead]

Small OT but for the first time we have a very rare onboard from MSC first pole position with Ferrari.

Unbelievable.

https://x.com/F1/status/1922651865344344398

Awesome.