Flexiwings 2025

[bluechris]

Neither of these shots are stabilised, so some conclusions can be drawn. I was just pointing out that the specific video previously shared had background stabilised video, so you cannot infer any flex from it because the camera was not focused on a the car in a static manner. It might have just been done in post so the video could be shared online.

I'm not really sure what you are arguing here, you've missed the point of my post entirely. Thank you for sharing extra videos, they are helpful.

I dont understant the stabilize that you say. To me its crystal clear, in the 1st races the camera was super solid fixed on a strong point, later the camera is shaking... thats all, there is no magic here and the cameras are the same as hardware.

In software after the video is downloaded from the car, video editing has taken place to stabilise the video for the background, so the horizon, track and surrounding elements are more stable. Because the camera is fixed to the car and is static, this then makes it look like the car is moving up and down a lot, when in reality it's not.

How you know that? Either way it's irrelevant because i saw it live in many occasions where there is no processing.

[Vanja #66]

the video from miami is misleading, mclaren camera is clearly gyro-stabilised so the whole wing is shaking because the whole car is shaking all the time

[SiLo]

I dont understant the stabilize that you say. To me its crystal clear, in the 1st races the camera was super solid fixed on a strong point, later the camera is shaking... thats all, there is no magic here and the cameras are the same as hardware.

In software after the video is downloaded from the car, video editing has taken place to stabilise the video for the background, so the horizon, track and surrounding elements are more stable. Because the camera is fixed to the car and is static, this then makes it look like the car is moving up and down a lot, when in reality it's not.

How you know that? Either way it's irrelevant because i saw it live in many occasions where there is no processing.

I know that because I have eyes. I have explained all I can, I can't help you come to the same conclusion if you reject reality.

[Mandrake]

The question is not whether it's stabilised or not, the question is why it suddenly is stabilised. It makes the "flex" much more obvious, but then because it's amplified from the stabilisation you cannot take anything from it. And no one was able to answer the question whether the FIA has a separate camera to measure the flex, cause this on is obviously useless.

[chrisc90]

Begs the question of are they trying to circumvent the FIA inspection routines (with the dots) if that’s the only camera available.

If that’s the only camera that monitors the rear wing, then it’s incredibly shady

[SiLo]

The question is not whether it's stabilised or not, the question is why it suddenly is stabilised. It makes the "flex" much more obvious, but then because it's amplified from the stabilisation you cannot take anything from it. And no one was able to answer the question whether the FIA has a separate camera to measure the flex, cause this on is obviously useless.

Maybe it was just to be shared on social media? We don't know and we can't really draw any conclusions from it. There is plenty of other footage that IS static, and shows the flex nicely.

[chrisc90]

The footage I shared was direct from F1TV streams.

[basti313]

Am I missing something on this discussion? As far as I know, the rear wing case is closed? Or do you expect anything to come on the rear wing?

The interesting point is in 2 weeks. I would expect, that they use quite similar front wings in Imola and Barcelona as it is a triple header. Unfortunately I can not check this at them moment if there were big changes last year in the triple header from Imola or at Spain. Does anyone remember this point?
Will be interesting, who will come up with a new wing in two weeks.

[SiLo]

The footage I shared was direct from F1TV streams.

Maybe they were testing stabilised cameras then? I don't know. It's ultimately irrelevant for this chat.

[Emag]

Begs the question of are they trying to circumvent the FIA inspection routines (with the dots) if that’s the only camera available.

If that’s the only camera that monitors the rear wing, then it’s incredibly shady

Where did the idea that McLaren is attempting any foul play with gyro cameras on their rear-view onboards to hide wing flex come from?

Crucially, teams don't choose the official onboard camera hardware, as that's dictated by FOM/FIA, who have been testing and implementing gyro cameras across various cars since 2024, likely as an ongoing evaluation before a full adaptation of the technology next year. It started with only a couple of cars last year, but this season a lot more are using them.

While teams can use their own cameras in free practice for engineering/testing purposes, they don't control the official broadcast cameras. They can only add extra ones.

Aside from that, the FIA doesn't use the onboard cameras for tests. Whenever extra scrutineering is required, they install additional sensors/cameras for monitoring purposes. It doesn't matter what the live feed shows.

[chrisc90]

Begs the question of are they trying to circumvent the FIA inspection routines (with the dots) if that’s the only camera available.

If that’s the only camera that monitors the rear wing, then it’s incredibly shady

Where did the idea that McLaren is attempting any foul play with gyro cameras on their rear-view onboards to hide wing flex come from?

Crucially, teams don't choose the official onboard camera hardware, as that's dictated by FOM/FIA, who have been testing and implementing gyro cameras across various cars since 2024, likely as an ongoing evaluation before a full adaptation of the technology next year. It started with only a couple of cars last year, but this season a lot more are using them.

While teams can use their own cameras in free practice for engineering/testing purposes, they don't control the official broadcast cameras. They can only add extra ones.

Aside from that, the FIA doesn't use the onboard cameras for tests. Whenever extra scrutineering is required, they install additional sensors/cameras for monitoring purposes. It doesn't matter what the live feed shows.

Like I said, depends if there is seperate cameras to monitor the dots that are mandated on the wings.

Surely FIA would only test it on one weekend, so the next it would be back to normal.

Who knows, was just a suggestion. Teams will use any method or minor loophole to work around things to their favour.

[Emag]

Begs the question of are they trying to circumvent the FIA inspection routines (with the dots) if that’s the only camera available.

If that’s the only camera that monitors the rear wing, then it’s incredibly shady

Where did the idea that McLaren is attempting any foul play with gyro cameras on their rear-view onboards to hide wing flex come from?

Crucially, teams don't choose the official onboard camera hardware, as that's dictated by FOM/FIA, who have been testing and implementing gyro cameras across various cars since 2024, likely as an ongoing evaluation before a full adaptation of the technology next year. It started with only a couple of cars last year, but this season a lot more are using them.

While teams can use their own cameras in free practice for engineering/testing purposes, they don't control the official broadcast cameras. They can only add extra ones.

Aside from that, the FIA doesn't use the onboard cameras for tests. Whenever extra scrutineering is required, they install additional sensors/cameras for monitoring purposes. It doesn't matter what the live feed shows.

Like I said, depends if there is seperate cameras to monitor the dots that are mandated on the wings.

Surely FIA would only test it on one weekend, so the next it would be back to normal.

Who knows, was just a suggestion. Teams will use any method or minor loophole to work around things to their favour.

But it's not up to McLaren to decide what kind of cameras are used for the live onboard feeds.

[bluechris]

MCLaren and all teams create the camera mount which must be rigid for TV reasons mainly. Now i don't continue for the matter, i just wait to see if this trend continues. I feel that in Barcelona it will be rigid again

[FittingMechanics]

MCLaren and all teams create the camera mount which must be rigid for TV reasons mainly. Now i don't continue for the matter, i just wait to see if this trend continues. I feel that in Barcelona it will be rigid again

The camera mount is rigid. This is a post processing stabilization that you saw, probably because F1 is trying to get better onboard cameras.

[SiLo]

MCLaren and all teams create the camera mount which must be rigid for TV reasons mainly. Now i don't continue for the matter, i just wait to see if this trend continues. I feel that in Barcelona it will be rigid again

The camera mount is rigid. This is a post processing stabilization that you saw, probably because F1 is trying to get better onboard cameras.

This, it's a complete nothing-burger.