2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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selvam_e2002 wrote:
16 May 2025, 14:39
It seems like AMR like reverse upgrade. they are going back with each upgrade.....
Could be they have to adapt the setup to the upgrades a bit. At least it is not understeer he is complaining about.

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Sergej
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They didn't bother about long runs.

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0.3 seconds gap at FP1 is ok. It was +0.516 in Suzuka FP1, and +0.579 in Jeddah.

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Max for pole
Just a fan's point of view

venkyhere
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comparing the fastest laps :
T7 long corner U-turn -> Max isn't optimal, I'm sure he will find a good line here
T17-18 (rivazza 1-2) final two corners => proper struggle. RB21 has to get a stronger RW/BW, because the tail is wagging and he can't get on the throttle quickly like the Mclaren/Mercedes. Losing quarter of a second here, on super-soft. With full tank fuel and C4/C5, these two corners are guaranteed trouble. Especially because what follows is one of the longest DRS straights.

On the bright side, RB21 finally seems to have solved kerb riding. It's 'not bad' (not as good as the McLaren, though, their front suspension design is at another level).

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T3 is painful, where McLaren is a monster instead....dead tyres.

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I will directly watch qualifying. The car seems nowhere in FP basically at every race so far. I am also not sure but could the team have struggled more than expected at Miami given it was a sprint weekend?
Call a spade, a spade.

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I definitely wouldn't rule out Max from a pole tomorrow. It doesn't look nearly as dire as it was in Bahrain. They will turn it up tomorrow and will be much closer. Max had a wobble out of T3, so almost 40% of the gap was made there alone anyway. Car isn't bad.
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Emag wrote:
16 May 2025, 17:57
I definitely wouldn't rule out Max from a pole tomorrow. Car isn't bad.
One can't rule out anyone for pole, given how poor qualifiers Mclaren drivers are.
Emag wrote:
16 May 2025, 17:57
Car isn't bad.
yeah, it is great. Much slower than before. As much as Max lost time on S1, Norris lost there as well, whereas Piastri lost same 0.25s on S3.

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f1isgood wrote:
16 May 2025, 17:54
I will directly watch qualifying. The car seems nowhere in FP basically at every race so far. I am also not sure but could the team have struggled more than expected at Miami given it was a sprint weekend?
If anyone struggled more in Miami, it was quite obviously Mclaren again. Had at least 3 tenths over single lap on anyone, but couldn't get a pole once with that rocketship.

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avantman wrote:
16 May 2025, 18:18
f1isgood wrote:
16 May 2025, 17:54
I will directly watch qualifying. The car seems nowhere in FP basically at every race so far. I am also not sure but could the team have struggled more than expected at Miami given it was a sprint weekend?
If anyone struggled more in Miami, it was quite obviously Mclaren again. Had at least 3 tenths over single lap on anyone, but couldn't get a pole once with that rocketship.
I mean, McLaren don't struggle. Their drivers are not as good as the best on the grid, and that just shows far too consistently.

Indeed, they had a fair advantage but you have to give it to them to blow it every time.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Marko: Verstappen's Braking Problems are Solved
Verstappen struggled with the brakes of his RB21 in the early stages of the season. In contrast, McLaren excels – including in braking. "There are many theories, especially about McLaren's strength in braking," Marko told GPblog among others in the paddock in Imola. "The good news is: our braking problems are now solved."
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/verstapp ... -key-issue

Interesting...
It doesn't turn.

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AR3-GP wrote:
16 May 2025, 20:14
Marko: Verstappen's Braking Problems are Solved
Verstappen struggled with the brakes of his RB21 in the early stages of the season. In contrast, McLaren excels – including in braking. "There are many theories, especially about McLaren's strength in braking," Marko told GPblog among others in the paddock in Imola. "The good news is: our braking problems are now solved."
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/verstapp ... -key-issue

Interesting...
Let's see where this confidence stands in next two days.

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:lol:


Imagine being blasted by a 4x WDC.

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This image from Miami GP is quite revelatory :
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https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/u2slam7e ... mxfox&dl=0

Two important things of note :

1. McLaren is able to run 'lower' => naturally more DF without drag penalty. This is thanks to better suspension design (stiffer but without compromising kerb riding - soft for wheel movement, stiff for body movement) in the McLaren that allows such low ride height without the "bottoming out" compromise. All those white markings around the front wing, floor etc show the lower ride height

2. look at the rear engine cover area and see the 'volume of flow' at the coke bottle area, throwing useful air at the BW/RW, by the McLaren. This will tremendously help extraction from diffuser as well, thus enabling more rear DF with the same wing levels as the Redbull. This will in turn (for balance sake) mean more DF can be added at the front wing than the Redbull. We can clearly see the difference between the two FWs.

Just these two points - better suspension design and better engine cover packaging - has enabled McLaren to have :
- better quality DF due to lower running floor
- better DF from BW, RW, FW ; with maybe a little drag added by FW. However this provides a stronger front end to the car, without having a loose rear end.

I think, this is the 'proper' performance advantage that McLaren have over Redbull or anyone else, not just the tyre heat advantage. Proves that MCL39 is the most advanced car in this Ground Effect era, and by quite a big margin. It is impossible to match this car without 'proper innovation' that takes more than 1 year, even if it's possible to come up with the clever ideas. The reason this car doesn't grab pole in every Q is down to their drivers not being able to handle some of the 'quirks' that can come from such a 'strong nosed' car.