2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Luscion]

So all these years problem is car not Lewis? Why car if Lecler drive ok with that car?

i wouldnt say that, but also Leclerc is definitely not driving ok with this car, he got saved from being knocked out in Q2 last quali because of a tow and both him and Lewis got knocked out in Q2 here. One of the best qualifiers on the grid cant even make it into Q3 cause the car has no single lap pace

Leclerc almost got eliminated in Q2 last WE because he did both laps with new tyres which, with the SF 25, are worse than used tyres.

If you think other drivers would do better good luck my friend

i think your misunderstanding, im saying you know the car is bad when ones of the best qualifiers on the grid cant make it into q3

[Autobahn303]

So all these years problem is car not Lewis? Why car if Lecler drive ok with that car?

i wouldnt say that, but also Leclerc is definitely not driving ok with this car, he got saved from being knocked out in Q2 last quali because of a tow and both him and Lewis got knocked out in Q2 here. One of the best qualifiers on the grid cant even make it into Q3 cause the car has no single lap pace

The car has no rear grip (obvious, due to the ride height) and that in turn means, they have to dial down the front wing as well, to preserve some kind of aero balance. Which means it's a midfielder car, not a top 5 places car. Having two incredible drivers means nothing, with such a car. Because no driver can drive a car beyond it's theoretical limit.

What irritates me more than the slowness of the car, is the PR spin of 'hope' that the likes of Vasseur and co cheat the Tifosi with. Either say "it's difficult to fix this car, we have to live with it" or say "we can fix this car, but are choosing not to, to ensure people/time/money isn't taken away from 2026 car". Stop selling "potential" like this is a business workshop for startups.

Is that what Leclerc refers to as a compromise?

[venkyhere]

Do you think Lewis will be again fast with flat floor in 2026 or floor will not make difference?
Why is venturi floor so sensitive at height compare to flat floor, why they dont have this problems in flat floor era?

I am not sure the 2026 floor is going to be flat. The regulations for 2026 is still 'ground effect' but with narrower and shorter cars and with 'active aero' (moving bodywork things).

Flat floor era - the cars had a 'rake' where the volume of space beneath the floor was like a triangular wedge (thicker end at rear) - in other words, it like a giant version of the diffuser present in sports cars, characterized with a mild expansion ratio.

Ground effect era - the cars have a 'venturi tunnel' (like a rubber water pipe with increasing diameter towards the rear, but squeezed to lowest diameter in the middle by a tight sleeve) with a high diffuser expansion ratio.

Both are based on the same principle, but with completely different mechanisms of utilizing the principle. In the ground effect case, the sensitivity to ride height is much much higher, because the expansion ratio decreases exponentially with increased ride height, while in case of flat floor it decreases polynomially.

[ringo]

Vasseur is probably saying that the car was not prepared for the lap properly. It went slower on newer tyres.
I think this car cannot do slow out laps. Next time they may need to be the first cars out of the pit lane and just have a empty track ahead to have a faster out lap.
Despite all of that, the rear of the car is too high and that cannot be change for a few more races.

[Luscion]

So all these years problem is car not Lewis? Why car if Lecler drive ok with that car?

i wouldnt say that, but also Leclerc is definitely not driving ok with this car, he got saved from being knocked out in Q2 last quali because of a tow and both him and Lewis got knocked out in Q2 here. One of the best qualifiers on the grid cant even make it into Q3 cause the car has no single lap pace

The car has no rear grip (obvious, due to the ride height) and that in turn means, they have to dial down the front wing as well, to preserve some kind of aero balance. Which means it's a midfielder car, not a top 5 places car. Having two incredible drivers means nothing, with such a car. Because no driver can drive a car beyond it's theoretical limit.

What irritates me more than the slowness of the car, is the PR spin of 'hope' that the likes of Vasseur and co cheat the Tifosi with. Either say "it's difficult to fix this car, we have to live with it" or say "we can fix this car, but are choosing not to, to ensure people/time/money isn't taken away from 2026 car". Stop selling "potential" like this is a business workshop for startups.

At least he apologized to the fans today but yea the "potential" and "we just need to put everything together" line is getting old and even Sky called him out on it today, replaying the video of Leclerc saying otherwise to him.

[Luscion]

Ferrari trying to poach Giuseppe Pesce from Mclaren

https://www.corriere.it/sport/formula-1 ... refresh_ce

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Lewis Hamilton post quali: “I feel gutted, I guess, because the car was generally feeling okay. The set-up was just right, the brakes were working, everything was kind of in place – you just can’t go quicker.”

“You look at how quick Max [Verstappen] is going through Turn 2 and 3, we just can’t match it. Then we’ve got that new Soft on at the end, and for some reason it just didn’t come alive, there was no extra grip.”

“I really thought we were going to be getting through, the car was alive. Watching these guys doing 14.7s, I mean, we could just get to 15.7s, it’s a lot of time.”

[ScuderiaLeo]

I'm glad Vasseur apologized but the P4-P6 comment was unforgivable to me

[deadhead]

Like some said a year ago on another thread. Serious questions must be asked on the leadership of this team. The team is incapable of making a good car. It is best for Ferrari to bin this car and just focus on 2026 at this rate.

But 90% of the people who build the SF25 will be working on the 2026 car so... I guess giving them more time might help a tiny bit but realistically what can they do?

[mstar]

Ferrari trying to poach Giuseppe Pesce from Mclaren

https://www.corriere.it/sport/formula-1 ... refresh_ce

No chance. His Gardening leave if he left now be something silly like 2027/2028. Unless a like for like is going to Mclaren. Can;t see it happening.

[ScuderiaLeo]

I would bet an arm and a leg that the article is damage control from Ferrari.

[CjC]

I feel sorry for you Ferrari fans. The utter rubbish you have to read/ sieve through.
It’s not rage bait… maybe panic bait?

[Avocado]

Ferrari trying to poach Giuseppe Pesce from Mclaren

https://www.corriere.it/sport/formula-1 ... refresh_ce

(Google translate)

The Chieti native, aerodynamics director and chief of staff at McLaren Racing, a prized piece of Andrea Stella's team, has declined the offer to return to Maranello after 13 years. The recent pressure from the Prancing Horse's top brass has not been enough to convince Pino to leave Woking. Maranello will now have to fall back on other solutions...

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... /10723862/

It was over before it even began.

[Sevach]

No chance. His Gardening leave if he left now be something silly like 2027/2028. Unless a like for like is going to Mclaren. Can;t see it happening.

Ferrari can get him, but for 2026 he's a non-factor.

Whatever you think of them Ferrari lost Sanchez, Cardile and Resta in the last 2 years...

[mkay]

Ferrari trying to poach Giuseppe Pesce from Mclaren

https://www.corriere.it/sport/formula-1 ... refresh_ce

No chance. His Gardening leave if he left now be something silly like 2027/2028. Unless a like for like is going to Mclaren. Can;t see it happening.

Gardening leave in the UK rarely is longer than 12 months, otherwise could be deemed unenforceable by courts.