2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[ScuderiaLeo]

Leclerc: Should we expect the same for Monaco? In my opinion, yes. Monaco is the type of track that would expose all the weak parts of our car. It'll be another difficult weekend.



Seeing them go out in Q2 at Leclerc's best track that they won last year... I don't even want to watch.

[Seanspeed]

We're legit going backwards. We know any talk about the 'potential' of this car through setup or anything is nonsense because we're getting competitively worse while other teams are clearly making improvements through better understanding of their own cars and getting in front of us.

And there's no good path forward. They either compromise 2026 in order to try and get a grip on what they're doing wrong now, or risk 2026 by trudging forward without any great confidence in their design ideas.

I think maybe the best bet is to push hard for 2026 now and just hope to the gods that their current problems stem from the specific issues of this regulation set, and that they are nullified in the next.

[Vinlarr89]

The ride height has well and truly ****** the season.
The car is basically completely inept at this height, and even by the time that’s ironed out, everyone else will have moved on.
Such a frustrating year… and I don’t have too much hope for next year as MB engine will trump everyone else’s. Be another 3 years playing catch up on that front.

[venkyhere]

i wouldnt say that, but also Leclerc is definitely not driving ok with this car, he got saved from being knocked out in Q2 last quali because of a tow and both him and Lewis got knocked out in Q2 here. One of the best qualifiers on the grid cant even make it into Q3 cause the car has no single lap pace

The car has no rear grip (obvious, due to the ride height) and that in turn means, they have to dial down the front wing as well, to preserve some kind of aero balance. Which means it's a midfielder car, not a top 5 places car. Having two incredible drivers means nothing, with such a car. Because no driver can drive a car beyond it's theoretical limit.

What irritates me more than the slowness of the car, is the PR spin of 'hope' that the likes of Vasseur and co cheat the Tifosi with. Either say "it's difficult to fix this car, we have to live with it" or say "we can fix this car, but are choosing not to, to ensure people/time/money isn't taken away from 2026 car". Stop selling "potential" like this is a business workshop for startups.

Is that what Leclerc refers to as a compromise?

I think so. Because LeClerc likes a car that is nose heavy with an oversteery balance. In case they went too much in favour of his demand in the way of setup/frontwing flaps etc , it would have meant a giant risk of losing the rear in many of those gravel trapped corners, especially the final two rivazza 90 degree turns.

The reason, I believe, the car is less poorer in race pace and able to match the likes of Williams (what a tragedy) is because with fuel weight, the car sinks down a little bit, increasing downforce, and isn't as tragic with the Q ride height. Usually, with other cars, it's supposed to be the other way around - with lighter fuel -> more speed -> more downforce -> lower ride -> more downforce -> more speed.... However, with Ferrari, the rear static ride height is so 'tall' that the ride height never gets to anywhere in the window where the above vicious cycle loop can operate. Fuel weight is what is helping (relatively to others, not absolutely).

[F1subman25]

Any chance of salvaging this season rested on improved performance in this triple header.

I’m now of the opinion the only capacity they should be spending on this car post Barcelona is to understand what went wrong from an engineeringk perspective between the design, CFD and modelling, wind tunnel, and track.

Take the lessons learnt and ensure they are applied for the 2026 car design. There is no point throwing the sink at next years car if you just repeat the mistakes of this year.

[Chuckjr]

As Ferrari fans sit and stare down yet another long, long, dark tunnel, understand this all started many years ago…This team has been like this since 2007. Imo, it all started when they decided Schumacher was no longer the man and booted his arse out. You can see the distancing of Michael with Montezemolo in the final wins he had on the team post race. It’s clear as day he was pissed. Watch the after race coverage and the animosity between them is palpable. That was the start.

Then the team Mike helped build slowly dissolved, and after one last swallow of Michaels prevailing mastery that filled the team years after he left, Kimi took the 2007 drivers championship from a tie at Macca. After that began a slow walk into racing priority disillusion and into marketing studies. Michael brought them a success Ferrari had never seen in the modern age and it still affects them to this day. Just look at their decisions for the last few years and you’ll see their incompetence rife. I have been watching F1 since age 16, (I’m now 54) and these things can be seen after watching the F1 game for decades.

I suggest looking at what is happening over at Aston Martin to understand what is happening at Ferrari. AM has their values in place correctly whereas Ferrari do not…Indeed, Ferrari should have captured Newey when they had the chance. He was right there. Ready. Willing. Able. Winning was just a signature away…but no…Ferrari would rather a marketing opportunity than a winning opportunity as that has been their value since Michael left. Winning takes sacrifice and the board of directors didn’t want to do what was necessary to make room for Newey, not realizing he really is one dude that actually can bring a team back to winning glory. But no, Ferrari in all their wisdom went with marketing and media exposure rather than changing their team for a true one of a kind aero master, and now they will pay for that very very very poor choice for years and years to come.

Ask yourself, just how long will Fred wait for the “potential of the car” savior to come and save him? Is that how a leader should act? That’s the kind of uninspiring leader you actually don’t want. The whole team and situation is over Fred’s head. I saw this years ago. He doesn’t understand how to build an F1 team. This is only going to become more and more clear while fans suffer leadership under a coward.

When a team is dumping hundreds of millions into a marketing and media exposure study, rather than deep engineering studies, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out there is a priority problem afoot. Where does the team put their money? Well, there’s your priority. They should have put Newey in charge, dumped their money into him whatever he wanted because he is one of those rare figures that can actually bring a team to victory like Michael Jordan or Tom Brady. The fact they could not see this when pundits like me could see it a mile away after watching Newey do nothing but evoke winning for decades….well, thats all you really need to see to know they are fools. The car you see now is the work of the guys who said no to Newey. That’s all you need to know right there.

Unfortunately, there are no saviors in F1. Every team saves themselves. Just as Williams and Merc and Aston are currently doing. It is what it is. Chuck better leave Ferrari or his career will go down with the ending no driver wants: ”What could have been.”

[deadhead]

As Ferrari fans sit and stare down yet another long, long, dark tunnel, understand this all started many years ago…This team has been like this since 2007. Imo, it all started when they decided Schumacher was no longer the man and booted his arse out. You can see the distancing of Michael with Montezemolo in the final wins he had on the team post race. It’s clear as day he was pissed. Watch the after race coverage and the animosity between them is palpable. That was the start.

Then the team Mike helped build slowly dissolved, and after one last swallow of Michaels prevailing mastery that filled the team years after he left, Kimi took the 2007 drivers championship from a tie at Macca. After that began a slow walk into racing priority disillusion and into marketing studies. Michael brought them a success Ferrari had never seen in the modern age and it still affects them to this day. Just look at their decisions for the last few years and you’ll see their incompetence rife. I have been watching F1 since age 16, (I’m now 54) and these things can be seen after watching the F1 game for decades.

I suggest looking at what is happening over at Aston Martin to understand what is happening at Ferrari. AM has their values in place correctly whereas Ferrari do not…Indeed, Ferrari should have captured Newey when they had the chance. He was right there. Ready. Willing. Able. Winning was just a signature away…but no…Ferrari would rather a marketing opportunity than a winning opportunity as that has been their value since Michael left. Winning takes sacrifice and the board of directors didn’t want to do what was necessary to make room for Newey, not realizing he really is one dude that actually can bring a team back to winning glory. But no, Ferrari in all their wisdom went with marketing and media exposure rather than changing their team for a true one of a kind aero master, and now they will pay for that very very very poor choice for years and years to come.

Ask yourself, just how long will Fred wait for the “potential of the car” savior to come and save him? Is that how a leader should act? That’s the kind of uninspiring leader you actually don’t want. The whole team and situation is over Fred’s head. I saw this years ago. He doesn’t understand how to build an F1 team. This is only going to become more and more clear while fans suffer leadership under a coward.

When a team is dumping hundreds of millions into a marketing and media exposure study, rather than deep engineering studies, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out there is a priority problem afoot. Where does the team put their money? Well, there’s your priority. They should have put Newey in charge, dumped their money into him whatever he wanted because he is one of those rare figures that can actually bring a team to victory like Michael Jordan or Tom Brady. The fact they could not see this when pundits like me could see it a mile away after watching Newey do nothing but evoke winning for decades….well, thats all you really need to see to know they are fools. The car you see now is the work of the guys who said no to Newey. That’s all you need to know right there.

Unfortunately, there are no saviors in F1. Every team saves themselves. Just as Williams and Merc and Aston are currently doing. It is what it is. Chuck better leave Ferrari or his career will go down with the ending no driver wants: ”What could have been.”

Well said

[jumpingfish]

Why is it considered that there was a choice between Newey and Hamilton? Couldn't they have had a driver and a designer at the same time, getting both a marketing boost and an engineering one? Perhaps Newey himself wasn't keen on cleaning up the Augean stables full of intrigue s**t.

[ScuderiaLeo]

I thought it was quite clear the issue for Newey wasn't the salary or drivers, but because he didn't want to be in Maranello so often, and this was a requirement for Ferrari?

[damo46]

If Newey wanted to design a car while sitting on the moon, Ferrari should of just let him. Newey knows what has to be done to design a successful car and he would have made sure he did what is necessary. Spending that much money on a driver on his way out was purely marketing. Ferrari won't be winning for a very long time.

[Sphere3758]

I thought it was quite clear the issue for Newey wasn't the salary or drivers, but because he didn't want to be in Maranello so often, and this was a requirement for Ferrari?

My understanding was that he wanted more power, which would have essentially given him TP like powers and would have undermined Fred.

So, I still agree with the teams decision to not get him. We’ve already seen that there is enough talent around the grid to build fast cars, even ones that make Piastri and Norris look like Senna and Prost .

[Autobahn303]

I thought it was quite clear the issue for Newey wasn't the salary or drivers, but because he didn't want to be in Maranello so often, and this was a requirement for Ferrari?

My understanding was that he wanted more power, which would have essentially given him TP like powers and would have undermined Fred.

So, I still agree with the teams decision to not get him. We’ve already seen that there is enough talent around the grid to build fast cars, even ones that make Piastri and Norris look like Senna and Prost .

[basti313]

As Ferrari fans sit and stare down yet another long, long, dark tunnel,

Well, you are missing one essential point...they are just copying the Merc strategy from 2012:
- they even got the same driver at the same timing, one year before the rule change
- they are not making any progress on the old engine, while Merc has added quite some power through reliability upgrades...
- they have no aero dev since start of this year. This is all just quick fixes.

My assumption here is they have all resources on 2026. For the engine already longer, aero 100% since start of this year.
My bet is we will not see a large floor update for ride height, rather some quick fix.

[ScuderiaLeo]

[Avocado]

I thought it was quite clear the issue for Newey wasn't the salary or drivers, but because he didn't want to be in Maranello so often, and this was a requirement for Ferrari?

Except it wasn't. You can be sure that if Newey wanted to be at Ferrari they would have reached an agreement on how to arrange it in a way that would suit him. But the fact is that he's not interested in Ferrari.