2025 McLaren F1 Team

[Szabi1112]

Actually we are not as fast as the Red Bull

[FittingMechanics]

So, my view is the following.

Norris would accept a swap with a return to PIA if he can't get VER.
PIA would get most likely a better result with a swap (P2) rather than P3 which is what he will get if he fights his teammate.
The team maximizes their points, you either get P1 and P3 or P2 and P3.

Why not do it? It's so obvious.

[Hoffman900]

So, my view is the following.

Norris would accept a swap with a return to PIA if he can't get VER.
PIA would get most likely a better result with a swap (P2) rather than P3 which is what he will get if he fights his teammate.
The team maximizes their points, you either get P1 and P3 or P2 and P3.

Why not do it? It's so obvious.

Because it’s racing. Let them race. While
I get it, it’s a racing series. The over managing is just terrible and it’s been a criticism of F1 for 30 years now, and partly what was killing the sport.

[saputra_25]

game over, not so great strategy and no so great luck on Mclaren side today...

[Tvetovnato]

So essentially McLaren pitted Norris to be able to have a great chance to overtake…. Drumroll… Piastri! Who he was already ahead of before they stopped him.

If you pit Norris, you do it to have a great chance to do something at the restart, which can only be to try to overtake Max. So how can you not come to the conclusion that the first thing you do is to swap the drivers straight away to try to achieve that? Norris pit stop now only meant that he had to fight Piastri, which was totally unnecessary from a team pov.

[FittingMechanics]

Because it’s racing. Let them race. While
I get it, it’s a racing series. The over managing is just terrible and it’s been a criticism of F1 for 30 years now, and partly what was killing the sport.

Overmanaging? I'm sure it is "much better" to watch a inevitable tire differential overtake between teammates than a potential fight for the lead between NOR and VER?

[Darth-Piekus]

Its ok. 2 and 3 is a good result. Max was lucky today but once we bring the upgrades it will be over.

[wickedz50]

Actually we are not as fast as the Red Bull

The pace is simply not there today for both the cars. I hope this is a one off case and not that the RBR upgrades and the McLaren downgrades is showing up now.

[FittingMechanics]

So essentially McLaren pitted Norris to be able to have a great chance to overtake…. Drumroll… Piastri! Who he was already ahead of before they stopped him.

If you pit Norris, you do it to have a great chance to do something at the restart, which can only be to try to overtake Max. So how can you not come to the conclusion that the first thing you do is to swap the drivers straight away to try to achieve that? Norris pit stop now only meant that he had to fight Piastri, which was totally unnecessary from a team pov.

It's like we have PIA team and NOR team, not one McLaren. It's truly insane.

[Hoffman900]

Because it’s racing. Let them race. While
I get it, it’s a racing series. The over managing is just terrible and it’s been a criticism of F1 for 30 years now, and partly what was killing the sport.

Overmanaging? I'm sure it is "much better" to watch a inevitable tire differential overtake between teammates than a potential fight for the lead between NOR and VER?

Lando was falling behind Max even after passing Oscar.

I’m a Mclaren fan, but do any of you honestly believe Lando was going to do anything with Max on equal tires, at a “hard to overtake” track?

[Hoffman900]

Actually we are not as fast as the Red Bull

The pace is simply not there today for both the cars. I hope this is a one off case and not that the RBR upgrades and the McLaren downgrades is showing up now.

This. The whole narrative that Redbull is slow, especially with their upgrades, needs to be thrown out the window.

Oscar just BARELY beat Max to pole and the RB had great race pace today.

[CjC]

Actually we are not as fast as the Red Bull

The pace is simply not there today for both the cars. I hope this is a one off case and not that the RBR upgrades and the McLaren downgrades is showing up now.

Which downgrades?

[trinidefender]

Great move by the ‘bottler’ as some refer to him as

Lucked into have 16 lap newer tires, but sure.

When you say lucked you mean knows how to save his tyres? Piastri wasn't able to save his tyres, had to pit earlier and then wasn't able to move through the field.

Norris got into the position of having a new set of hards to put on by virtue of his good driving. It's a prime example of that saying, "you make your own luck"

[Ben1980]

So, my view is the following.

Norris would accept a swap with a return to PIA if he can't get VER.
PIA would get most likely a better result with a swap (P2) rather than P3 which is what he will get if he fights his teammate.
The team maximizes their points, you either get P1 and P3 or P2 and P3.

Why not do it? It's so obvious.

Not a hope Lando accepts to swap back. Especially when he was always overtaking him.

[f1isgood]

Actually we are not as fast as the Red Bull

The pace is simply not there today for both the cars. I hope this is a one off case and not that the RBR upgrades and the McLaren downgrades is showing up now.

This. The whole narrative that Redbull is slow, especially with their upgrades, needs to be thrown out the window.

Oscar just BARELY beat Max to pole and the RB had great race pace today.

It's only one race but yesterday AR3 already observed that the theoretical laptimes of Max and Oscar were very close (unlike races before). Red Bull was quicker in the race today. It seems like a step forward.

But McLaren's real advantage is only seen on hot tracks, not around Imola, which is usually much cooler.