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[avantman]

When Lando cleared Oscar in the final stint, he wasn't able to catch Max

Do you really think he was even trying to?

[avantman]

That turn one move was just visual indication of how much better Verstappen is, it's like the others are standing still.

Indeed. No other driver on this grid would pull that move off. No other driver would even think it was possible.
Some people like Davidson kinda blamed Oscar for not doing enough, but Oscar, just like other 18 driver would not even think he was at danger at that point. He was totally caught off guard.

[avantman]

Btw, what happened to all that talk about "Max races Oscar differently"? Was that Brundle Sr? Completely out of touch. The argument could perhaps have been made that Oscar races Max better than Lando has done historically, though we might have to revise that theory now. Oscar's few battles with Max have been with a great car, Lando it's more of a mixed bag. Anyways, Max races everyone the same, aggressively.

The better question would be why don;t all those muppets talk on the way Charles races as 'we either crash or...' ? Imagine if it was Max vs Alex.

[pantherxxx]

Christian Horner: "I think we managed to get the car into a window, the parts that we bought worked. We managed to get a set up, and once you're in the window, then you can control your tyre temperatures". so its not about fancy brake system

It's not "all" about that, but everything helps.

Arguably, a car that achieves optimal tyre temperatures purely through excellent aerodynamic balance is even better than one that relies on complex brake duct systems to manage the same. Additional cooling systems add weight and drag, which can compromise overall performance. The RB19, for example, managed ideal tyre wear characteristics purely through its aerodynamic efficiency. Enrico Balbo, the head of aero, was on the podium today — a clear sign their aero department did a great job with the upgrades.

[f1isgood]

Didn't they bring upgrades to Imola?

No.
A rear corner update only.
The high DF rear wing did one out lap in FP3 and then taken off the car ready for Monaco

Is it possible that McLaren is in the same dilemma as RBR was? When you have a very well developed car you can only overcook it and make it pointier and harder to drive?

For RBR we'll have to see how the next races pan out. It would be foolish to think after one race that they are a regular contender for the win. If Monaco and Barcelona are a repeat of today or similar to today, then it looks promising and we can be happy.

I still hope the team drop to 4th in the constructors by the end of June to get even more WT testing time, because I fear the team allocated way too much resources to the RB21 and compromise development of the '26 car.

They did something similar to the RB18 as well, when they already had RB16B upgrades even as late as Jeddah (though they failed).

Wache mentioned they moved last to the 2022 car. If a team is on an upward trend, there's no issue with regulation changes and if the team manage to dig themselves out of the hole they went in from 2023 to 2024, I would trust the aero team to again do something solid for next year.

If you can win this year, you should try everything to win this year. The future is always uncertain.

[organic]

Christian Horner: "I think we managed to get the car into a window, the parts that we bought worked. We managed to get a set up, and once you're in the window, then you can control your tyre temperatures". so its not about fancy brake system

It's not "all" about that, but everything helps.

Exactly. Do we really think Horner is gonna stand there and tell mercedes that the brake upgrade they brought is all they needed to gain tenths of a second per lap? Of course he isn't

[organic]

No.
A rear corner update only.
The high DF rear wing did one out lap in FP3 and then taken off the car ready for Monaco

Is it possible that McLaren is in the same dilemma as RBR was? When you have a very well developed car you can only overcook it and make it pointier and harder to drive?

For RBR we'll have to see how the next races pan out. It would be foolish to think after one race that they are a regular contender for the win. If Monaco and Barcelona are a repeat of today or similar to today, then it looks promising and we can be happy.

I still hope the team drop to 4th in the constructors by the end of June to get even more WT testing time, because I fear the team allocated way too much resources to the RB21 and compromise development of the '26 car.

They did something similar to the RB18 as well, when they already had RB16B upgrades even as late as Jeddah (though they failed).

Wache mentioned they moved last to the 2022 car. If a team is on an upward trend, there's no issue with regulation changes and if the team manage to dig themselves out of the hole they went in from 2023 to 2024, I would trust the aero team to again do something solid for next year.

If you can win this year, you should try everything to win this year. The future is always uncertain.

Exactly. And is the engine even good enough to compete for 2026? 2022 was a new era of aero regulations and you knew going into it that honda/Merc/Ferrari were gonna start relatively close together - enough that aero would determine the grid

We're moving to entirely new aero and engines. It's not as clear that red bull will be able to compete

[AR3-GP]

You wouldn't have said that the wing TD would matter after Miami but after Imola, Mclaren don't have laptime to give away. Just a 1 tenth swing from the wing TD would tilt things decisively towards Red Bull.

[Paa]

You wouldn't have said that the wing TD would matter after Miami but after Imola, Mclaren don't have laptime to give away. Just a 1 tenth swing from the wing TD would tilt things decisively towards Red Bull.

This is true, but also don't forget that McLaren still did not bring any meaningful upgrades, so they might have some potential tenths in the bag.

[organic]

Marko said that this set of updates was the first time updates have worked in a year

[pantherxxx]

Marko said that this set of updates was the first time updates have worked in a year

Hopefully they finally achieved good correlation with the wind tunnel and cfd, and now every update will work. Then they can use the more wind tunnel time over Mclaren to bring some more performance upgrades.

[Sergej]

Interesting insights from Waché

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-wa ... /10724213/

he confirms upgrades have helped tyre management.

[Vettel165]

Interesting insights from Waché

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-wa ... /10724213/

he confirms upgrades have helped tyre management.

Very good. Now we need some Max magic in Monaco Q3 and then wait for Barcelona.

[organic]

Interesting insights from Waché

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-wa ... /10724213/

he confirms upgrades have helped tyre management.

He's basically saying McLaren are slow now in Imola in the heat. But why?

[CjC]

Interesting insights from Waché

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-wa ... /10724213/

he confirms upgrades have helped tyre management.

He's basically saying McLaren are slow now in Imola in the heat. But why?

That’s my understanding too.
He’s suggesting something has been taken away from Mclaren? Possibly between Friday and Sunday??