2025 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 16 - 18

[chrisc90]

If paddock rumors are true, Mclaren will be nowhere after Barcelona Td. And Verstappen was already faster in Imola, he easily controlled the pace, and had excellent tyre life.

Oh please. No one is seriously expecting McLaren to fall off massively due to this TD. That car is not a one trick pony.

Stranger things have happened! Ferrari in 2022 went from chances of winning to next to nothing with the TD.

Seems strange so many in the paddock, and drivers, openly comment about it. Which is probably why it’s such a long period for teams to adjust

[Cs98]

If paddock rumors are true, Mclaren will be nowhere after Barcelona Td. And Verstappen was already faster in Imola, he easily controlled the pace, and had excellent tyre life.

Oh please. No one is seriously expecting McLaren to fall off massively due to this TD. That car is not a one trick pony.

Stranger things have happened! Ferrari in 2022 went from chances of winning to next to nothing with the TD.

Seems strange so many in the paddock, and drivers, openly comment about it. Which is probably why it’s such a long period for teams to adjust

And if you recall, some people (Merc) were suggesting RB was going to fall off due to that 2022 TD and nothing happened to them.

All the top teams now use a flexiwing at the front. Maybe some teams will be slightly more affected than another, but I'm expecting the relative changes to be small.

[pantherxxx]

But Mclaren couldn't stabilize their car during braking, before Marshall helped them to develope flexi wings in the 2024 Miami update. Other teams already had good balance. It's entirely possible this change can ruin their balance.

[Vettel165]

[SiLo]

Max did to him in turn 2 what Piastri should have done to Max in turn 1. Max was always the bigger threat and he should have been covered off more aggressively.

[Cassius]

Oh please. No one is seriously expecting McLaren to fall off massively due to this TD. That car is not a one trick pony.

Stranger things have happened! Ferrari in 2022 went from chances of winning to next to nothing with the TD.

Seems strange so many in the paddock, and drivers, openly comment about it. Which is probably why it’s such a long period for teams to adjust

And if you recall, some people (Merc) were suggesting RB was going to fall off due to that 2022 TD and nothing happened to them.

All the top teams now use a flexiwing at the front. Maybe some teams will be slightly more affected than another, but I'm expecting the relative changes to be small.

Wache said a few months ago RB has better tools to balance the car without the flexiwings. Question is whether the developments McL have been working on in the past months can restore the balance of the car in a similar way after the frontwing flex TD. This will determine whether McL will keep the upper hand or not. Very much looking forward to Barcelona.

[ringo]

I do not think Mclaren will be affected by the flexi wings if they have planned a less loaded front wing and maybe add a little more beam wing and less rear wing. They can balance it out with the pace advantage they have.

The redbull is one to watch with its new bodywork and its already strong highspeed cornering. Flexi wings will affect them as well. Don't think for one second they dont take advntage. They are the father og flexi wings. Horner and his team like to gaslight. They did so with the tyre water conplaint while they wrre busy in the background making their own tyre water brakes.

[chrisc90]

I do not think Mclaren will be affected by the flexi wings if they have planned a less loaded front wing and maybe add a little more beam wing and less rear wing. They can balance it out with the pace advantage they have.

The redbull is one to watch with its new bodywork and its already strong highspeed cornering. Flexi wings will affect them as well. Don't think for one second they dont take advntage. They are the father og flexi wings. Horner and his team like to gaslight. They did so with the tyre water conplaint while they wrre busy in the background making their own tyre water brakes.

Dont you think it would be a bit pointless to bring all new upgrades based on flexibility when its only good for 1 race? RBR will be making these upgrades with the Barcelona TD in mind

[CjC]

I do not think Mclaren will be affected by the flexi wings if they have planned a less loaded front wing and maybe add a little more beam wing and less rear wing. They can balance it out with the pace advantage they have.

The redbull is one to watch with its new bodywork and its already strong highspeed cornering. Flexi wings will affect them as well. Don't think for one second they dont take advntage. They are the father og flexi wings. Horner and his team like to gaslight. They did so with the tyre water conplaint while they wrre busy in the background making their own tyre water brakes.

Dont you think it would be a bit pointless to bring all new upgrades based on flexibility when its only good for 1 race? RBR will be making these upgrades with the Barcelona TD in mind

Not at all pointless. It won them the race and allowed Verstappen to take 10 points out of Piastri.

And it’s 2 races- a flexi front wing will be beneficial in Monaco too

Red Bull are a one driver team if they started to run of development budget it will just be a case of ‘Sorry Yuki- that isn’t for you’

[CjC]

But Mclaren couldn't stabilize their car during braking, before Marshall helped them to develope flexi wings in the 2024 Miami update. Other teams already had good balance. It's entirely possible this change can ruin their balance.

Check out the China 2024 result which was the race before McLarens Miami update with the now fixated flexi front wing

[f1isgood]

But Mclaren couldn't stabilize their car during braking, before Marshall helped them to develope flexi wings in the 2024 Miami update. Other teams already had good balance. It's entirely possible this change can ruin their balance.

I think Wache's comments said other teams (apart from Red Bull) could balance their car to work across all specific tracks and circuits with a wing.

That said, McLaren's Miami upgrade already made them the best car on pure pace. Let's not forget Mclaren were "clearly" good as early as Austria 2023, they were leading at Silverstone 2023, and were P2 in Spain 2023 if I remember correctly in qualifying. And I'd in fact argue had pace to win Qatar 2023 and Brazil 2023 but that's another discussion.

They were on a constant and steep improvement path much before they became the best car.

I do think the TD will be interesting in terms of what we get, but I don't think a car as well engineered as the current Macca is will lose more than a tenth in the worst case.

[Mogster]

Back in the day if you were on pole could choose the side of the grid you started on.

When they were lining up on Sunday I looked at Max on the rhs and thought that if I had the choice I’d start on the right. The right is more on the racing line, less dusty at least. When you get to T1 if you’re side by side then you’re on the racing line. OK you can be pushed off by someone braking late on the inside but I feel I’d still rather be on the racing line with momentum and carrying more speed into the corner.

I’m not sure why pole became fixed and the rationale for choosing which side of the track P1 is on.

[AR3-GP]

Back in the day if you were on pole could choose the side of the grid you started on.

When they were lining up on Sunday I looked at Max on the rhs and thought that if I had the choice I’d start on the right. The right is more on the racing line, less dusty at least. When you get to T1 if you’re side by side then you’re on the racing line. OK you can be pushed off by someone braking late on the inside but I feel I’d still rather be on the racing line with momentum and carrying more speed into the corner.

Albon vs Leclerc.

[basti313]

Back in the day if you were on pole could choose the side of the grid you started on.

When they were lining up on Sunday I looked at Max on the rhs and thought that if I had the choice I’d start on the right. The right is more on the racing line, less dusty at least. When you get to T1 if you’re side by side then you’re on the racing line. OK you can be pushed off by someone braking late on the inside but I feel I’d still rather be on the racing line with momentum and carrying more speed into the corner.

Albon vs Leclerc.

Max would not have gone into the gravel.

[AR3-GP]

Back in the day if you were on pole could choose the side of the grid you started on.

When they were lining up on Sunday I looked at Max on the rhs and thought that if I had the choice I’d start on the right. The right is more on the racing line, less dusty at least. When you get to T1 if you’re side by side then you’re on the racing line. OK you can be pushed off by someone braking late on the inside but I feel I’d still rather be on the racing line with momentum and carrying more speed into the corner.

Albon vs Leclerc.

Max would not have gone into the gravel.

Yes but the poster is arguing that the outside line on a race start is advantageous.