Technical Directive 12/05/25

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organic wrote:
20 May 2025, 14:34
The fact that red bull are still asking for clarifications about grey areas in the wheel corner suggests they still don't know how to emulate the McLaren tricks
Grüner from AMuS suggests more or less that:
TD information leaked to the press?

The FIA ​​sent its answers to Red Bull's questions to all teams before the Imola weekend. However, it is understood that the crucial clue was not included. The inquiries have so far gone unanswered. It is suspicious that the day after the Imola race, various journalists from Great Britain and the Netherlands reported simultaneously on two FIA "technical directives" that were sent to all teams before Imola.

First, these were allegedly a clarification on the subject of skid blocks on the underbody. Second, the aforementioned communication between the FIA ​​and Red Bull regarding tire cooling was leaked to selected media representatives. It is reasonable to suspect that Red Bull itself is behind the story. The idea is apparently to create the impression that the rule changes had an impact on McLaren's performance.

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Many of us have skipped one important detail regarding the plank, which is the second TD issued at Imola. There were two things involved: the measurement and the skid block material! https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia- ... en-battle/

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I don't find the particular article in the rules, but it is known that the skid block material must be from titanium only or a titanium alloy. Even if the wording says this item must be made from titanium, I wonder how FIA could test them not to be coated with, let`s say, an alloy with a thickness of 1mm BN - boron nitride or WC - tungsten carbide in order to decrease the skid block wear. Of course, they could do that testing had they had some tools like HPLC - High Performance Liquid Chromatography to identify the compounds and an MS - mass spectrometer for the mass of each component, but it`s very unlikely due to higher costs.

Now, regarding the plank and the car`s floor bending under the load tests, I understand that FIA is using some static loads, but are they enough to simulate the car`s high loads running through a high-speed corner, knowing that these parts of the track are responsible for the most gains a car could make throughout an entire lap?

And the last question: knowing that Rob Marshall is a master in carbon structures, how about an inner cake tin that has 2 independent/non-connecting layers of carbon fibers with the outer layer (which is in contact with the heat from the brakes) is expanding and lets the air between these 2 layers to expand too thus thermal isolation is bigger at this area? One issue is the thermal inertia, which could be helped by altering the air composition between the layers with other gases with good thermal conduction ...
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much simpler would be to mount the skid block on a compliant substrate or structure.

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Champ Car / Indy Car rules had wiggle room on material of the skids, so teams were playing around with materials that were a lot less “grabby” when touching the track surface in the 90s.

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Biggest revaluation from Red Bull queries............ F1 allows peltier coolers/generators in the wheel hub for active cooling.

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3.5.9: post-processing and coatings on the skids are illegal, must be machined from solid annealed Ti of two permitted alloys. If mounting bolts attach the skids to the "car," the bolts have to be their weakest connection to the car. This wording implies the skids don't have to be directly attached to the chassis i.e. you could attach them only to the plank.

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FW17 wrote:
21 May 2025, 15:36
Biggest revaluation from Red Bull queries............ F1 allows peltier coolers/generators in the wheel hub for active cooling.
They say it is not illegal but they would change the rules if someone used it.

I think it's probably impractical to use in reality as it's a known method to cool/heat. It's just inefficient.

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Greg Locock wrote:
21 May 2025, 15:17
much simpler would be to mount the skid block on a compliant substrate or structure.
That what was banned in 2022 TD039.
It doesn't turn.

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I wonder if keeping the skid blocks cold would provide some wear reduction. A hot skid block expands by a small amount. The friction between the skid and the asphalt/curbs would also change with temperature.
It doesn't turn.

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"t what was banned in 2022 TD039."That's probably where I got the idea!

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Not sure about that. TD039 was supposedly iirc about plank flex and the location of plank portals that permit access of the FIA chassis & plank deflection test rig apparatus. This new topic is about the skid blocks, which if I've read the rules correctly could be mounted to the plank independent of the chassis and if so, there's Greg's compliant substrate. Just my guess.

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what was this ?Joseph And Lando two laps to go, do not use the right hand toggle in turn seven, the paddle is okay though.

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atanatizante wrote:
21 May 2025, 14:56
Many of us have skipped one important detail regarding the plank, which is the second TD issued at Imola. There were two things involved: the measurement and the skid block material! https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia- ... en-battle/

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I don't find the particular article in the rules, but it is known that the skid block material must be from titanium only or a titanium alloy. Even if the wording says this item must be made from titanium, I wonder how FIA could test them not to be coated with, let`s say, an alloy with a thickness of 1mm BN - boron nitride or WC - tungsten carbide in order to decrease the skid block wear. Of course, they could do that testing had they had some tools like HPLC - High Performance Liquid Chromatography to identify the compounds and an MS - mass spectrometer for the mass of each component, but it`s very unlikely due to higher costs.
Here you go, from the 2025 Technical Regulations, Section 3.5.9 r Plank Assembly

r. Must be made from Titanium alloy (according to AMS4928 or AMS4911 in annealed
condition). Furthermore, they may only be machined from solid and no processes (such
as forging, rolling, welding, heat treatment or coating) may be carried out either before
or after machining