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I remember reading in the strategy guide that there was a 75% chance of a yellow flag, and a 25% chance of a VSC/SC.zoroastar wrote: ↑21 May 2025, 03:00its pretty bizarre that they cant think a little bit out the box when it comes to strategy. i mean, what were the chances that there would be no safety cars or vsc's at imola. they spend all their time reacting to everyone else instead of taking an educated chance. or at least run seperate strategies. i know they were limited on tires but theyve been doing it all season, and its got them nowhere.
That’s absolutely not true that the new package and the data collection had anything to do with the tyre situation. ALO said afterwards that they planned to use mediums in Q since Thursday, because they believed from the beginning that they are faster. Which they were, 2-3 tenths faster over a Q lap, what other drivers and sources said. Cowell said they already saw in the Abu Dhabi tyre test that the C6 won’t last at such tracks like Imola.diffuser wrote: ↑20 May 2025, 21:41I don’t think that’s accurate. The real misstep—if you want to call it that—was using a set of hard tires during FP3. Had they saved that set, they could’ve switched to it under the VSC. Regardless of how fresh the mediums were, they weren’t going to last 40 laps to the end of the race. And you can’t blame the qualifying laps on the mediums used at the start of the race either, since they were still able to keep pace with Russell and Sainz. Which brings us right back to the root of the issue: they had a new package and needed to collect data during free practice. Which ended up leaving them compromised.FNTC wrote: ↑20 May 2025, 21:30Aston sacrificed the race by using the C5 in qualy and it bit them in the race. They claim they went for a one stop, but I don't understand why they then pitted that early. Strategy was bad and the VSC and SC also came at bad times.
Newey is supposed to be at Monaco so I hope he can help with setup, so let's see, but Barcelona with less flexiwings might be better for us too.
Merc might have gotten hit in Imola by that TD clamping down on plank shenanigans.
I dont think stopping was such a bad move considering how much pace Leclerc was showing. It seemed like the obvious choice. But once they got undercut it was obvious that they are still a step behind WiIlliams and Ferrari. Based on the data, it seemed like the right choice as a fan. Maybe experts should know better. Williams and Mclaren are usually solid on the pit strategy and they also fell for it so I think this one is understandable.diffuser wrote: ↑21 May 2025, 05:33I remember reading in the strategy guide that there was a 75% chance of a yellow flag, and a 25% chance of a VSC/SC.zoroastar wrote: ↑21 May 2025, 03:00its pretty bizarre that they cant think a little bit out the box when it comes to strategy. i mean, what were the chances that there would be no safety cars or vsc's at imola. they spend all their time reacting to everyone else instead of taking an educated chance. or at least run seperate strategies. i know they were limited on tires but theyve been doing it all season, and its got them nowhere.
They were surprised by how quick sainz was able to pass Alonso on fresh tires.
I'd be interested in hearing their thinking on that.
-wkst- wrote: ↑21 May 2025, 06:06That’s absolutely not true that the new package and the data collection had anything to do with the tyre situation. ALO said afterwards that they planned to use mediums in Q since Thursday, because they believed from the beginning that they are faster. Which they were, 2-3 tenths faster over a Q lap, what other drivers and sources said. Cowell said they already saw in the Abu Dhabi tyre test that the C6 won’t last at such tracks like Imola.diffuser wrote: ↑20 May 2025, 21:41I don’t think that’s accurate. The real misstep—if you want to call it that—was using a set of hard tires during FP3. Had they saved that set, they could’ve switched to it under the VSC. Regardless of how fresh the mediums were, they weren’t going to last 40 laps to the end of the race. And you can’t blame the qualifying laps on the mediums used at the start of the race either, since they were still able to keep pace with Russell and Sainz. Which brings us right back to the root of the issue: they had a new package and needed to collect data during free practice. Which ended up leaving them compromised.FNTC wrote: ↑20 May 2025, 21:30Aston sacrificed the race by using the C5 in qualy and it bit them in the race. They claim they went for a one stop, but I don't understand why they then pitted that early. Strategy was bad and the VSC and SC also came at bad times.
Newey is supposed to be at Monaco so I hope he can help with setup, so let's see, but Barcelona with less flexiwings might be better for us too.
Merc might have gotten hit in Imola by that TD clamping down on plank shenanigans.
I don't know about Imola, but the AM front wing was flexing at the beginning of the season. It was just nowhere near to the extent of the McLaren or Mercedes.SSJ4 wrote: ↑21 May 2025, 14:47Wish it was barcelona Grand Prix this week. So we can see the cars true performance relative to others after the flexi wing stuff .
Has our wing been flexing a lot compared to competitors? There was a front wing cam on alonsos car during the Imola if anyone wanted to see
Wouldn't it be funny if the opposite to 2023 would happen?SSJ4 wrote: ↑21 May 2025, 14:47Wish it was barcelona Grand Prix this week. So we can see the cars true performance relative to others after the flexi wing stuff .
Has our wing been flexing a lot compared to competitors? There was a front wing cam on alonsos car during the Imola if anyone wanted to see
Not sure how we would know. We can only hope. Unless you know how this will effect all the different cars balances, you're guessing.
No, realistically nothing really changes. I hope that AMR is maybe a bit more competitive compared to the fastest team, but it simply won't happen that they suddenly gain several tenths compared to others. All teams have/had flexi FWs, some with obviously more extreme solutions, some less.
i dont think the front wing has as much to do with mclaren as their rear tires. and redbull is doing their best to sabotage that for them. mercedes seemed to drop off a little in imola after they supposedly changed some of their car to follow the barcelona TD. but i dont think there will be any major changes. if there are major changes itll be a combination of things. redbull hate when somebody is beating them and they are desperate to keep the only driver that can drive their car.
thats annoyed tf out of me too. they constantly run out of softs for any q3 runs they may have, but they waste at least one set per quali doing a throw away lap that wont possibly leave them good for q2. i wonder if its just more playing things too safe, in case they catch a red flag or something. it doesnt make any sensediffuser wrote: ↑21 May 2025, 14:21-wkst- wrote: ↑21 May 2025, 06:06That’s absolutely not true that the new package and the data collection had anything to do with the tyre situation. ALO said afterwards that they planned to use mediums in Q since Thursday, because they believed from the beginning that they are faster. Which they were, 2-3 tenths faster over a Q lap, what other drivers and sources said. Cowell said they already saw in the Abu Dhabi tyre test that the C6 won’t last at such tracks like Imola.diffuser wrote: ↑20 May 2025, 21:41
I don’t think that’s accurate. The real misstep—if you want to call it that—was using a set of hard tires during FP3. Had they saved that set, they could’ve switched to it under the VSC. Regardless of how fresh the mediums were, they weren’t going to last 40 laps to the end of the race. And you can’t blame the qualifying laps on the mediums used at the start of the race either, since they were still able to keep pace with Russell and Sainz. Which brings us right back to the root of the issue: they had a new package and needed to collect data during free practice. Which ended up leaving them compromised.
There is this new trend for AM F1 to go out really early that I don't understand. Prior to this trend, Alonso would wait till after the first set of runners went out to put in his first lap.The track isn't rubbered in, it's gonna get faster. Why are we wasting a set if softs? I kind blew that off previously, because their pace sucked so much. If they have pace I'm not sure why they'd do that.