2025 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 23 - 25

[michl420]

If a team is 1/2 after lap one, the drivers should hold the field for a free pit stop for the other driver 2 times and it can be a relativ save double win. Otherwise, most likely the winner will be decided by luck.

[chrisc90]

If a team is 1/2 after lap one, the drivers should hold the field for a free pit stop for the other driver 2 times and it can be a relativ save double win. Otherwise, most likely the winner will be decided by luck.

Could effectively do that if you have both cars 1/2 and get them both pitted at no loss.

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[SirBastianVettel]

Why did you post a picture of barn doors?

[venkyhere]

Seems to me that Redbull mainplane is less 'loaded' than the other three, did I infer correctly ?

[SB15]

Seems to me that Redbull mainplane is less 'loaded' than the other three, did I infer correctly ?

Your eyes do not deceive you. I noticed the same, especially on the on the lower plane of the wing. Maybe they’re going for more top-end speed, but around Monaco is insane.

[Seanspeed]

Btw, what is the exact wording of the 2 mandatory pitstop rule? I mean what is actually mandated in practical terms, since we are in a technical forum....

1. Do you actually need two pitstops or is it enough to use 3 different sets of tyres. (change during red flag for example)

2. If the number of pitstop counts can you finish (or start) the race with a pitstop, is that counts?

3. If the number of tyres count do you have to actually finish a full lap with a set of tyres, or is it enough to have it on the car?
- maybe have just 1 pitstop, where you put a set of softs to the car, then immediately change it to a set of hards within the same pitstop. Is that count as two?
- what if you change the tyre but finish the race in the pit, before going to live track with the tyre? same if you go and change it after formation lap, but before start.

For the Monaco race, each driver must use at least three different types of tyre (either dry or wet). If a driver does not use intermediate or wet tyres in the race, they must use at least two different slick tyre compounds, of which one must be from the mandatory dry compounds (Hard or Medium). Unless the race is suspended and cannot be re-started, failure to comply with these requirements will result in the disqualification of the relevant driver from the race results. In this case thirty seconds will be added to the elapsed time of any driver who did not, when required to do so, use at least two specifications of dry-weather tyre during the race, or who did not use at least three sets of tyres of any specification during the race. Furthermore, an additional thirty seconds will be added to the elapsed time of any driver who used only one set of tyres of any specification during the race.

That's the official wording. Nothing actually mandating two stops.

It seems like we'll have the usual situation where a red flag restart will still give teams opportunity to switch compounds and have it count towards the three sets. So yea, if we get a bad crash on the first lap or something, we could easily go right back to having an effective one stop race anyways.

Also, just to clarify one other point, a tire set isn't considered used til a driver exits the pitlane, so there'd be no last lap shenanigans.

[Paa]

Thanks!

[chrisc90]

It says 3 compounds, but then says they must use at least 2 slick tyre compounds

[Seanspeed]

It says 3 compounds, but then says they must use at least 2 slick tyre compounds

Three total sets of tires, but they still only have to use two different dry compounds.

It's true the first line is a little ambiguous about this, but it seems clarified later with this line:

Unless the race is suspended and cannot be re-started, failure to comply with these requirements will result in the disqualification of the relevant driver from the race results. In this case thirty seconds will be added to the elapsed time of any driver who did not, when required to do so, use at least two specifications of dry-weather tyre during the race, or who did not use at least three sets of tyres of any specification during the race.

[Big Tea]

I see a chance for a out side bet to roll the dice. For instance, Williams have a nice buffer so may be worth taking a chance and going for it big time, or Sauber Alpine who have a do or die chance to get some points to cover next years travel, even if it means 2 pitstops in the first few laps, but Aston are the prime suspects of playing a flanker as they have the team and resources to try the unusual. But with my unerring judgement ( ? ) it is obviously going to be the Racing Bulls who play a trump hand.

[basti313]

I see a chance for a out side bet to roll the dice. For instance, Williams have a nice buffer so may be worth taking a chance and going for it big time, or Sauber Alpine who have a do or die chance to get some points to cover next years travel, even if it means 2 pitstops in the first few laps, but Aston are the prime suspects of playing a flanker as they have the team and resources to try the unusual. But with my unerring judgement ( ? ) it is obviously going to be the Racing Bulls who play a trump hand.

So please explain:
How is this Sauber pitting in the first two laps faster than any other car, top 10, ahead if it is on similar aged tires?

These whole stories are just based on anyone going slow. But no one will go slow, they will drive a 2-stop race, the faster the better.

[SirBastianVettel]

These whole stories are just based on anyone going slow. But no one will go slow, they will drive a 2-stop race, the faster the better.

This could result is multiple crashes. My strategy would be to start on the hard tire and wait for the (V)SC/.

[Delasoup]

Btw, what is the exact wording of the 2 mandatory pitstop rule? I mean what is actually mandated in practical terms, since we are in a technical forum....

1. Do you actually need two pitstops or is it enough to use 3 different sets of tyres. (change during red flag for example)

2. If the number of pitstop counts can you finish (or start) the race with a pitstop, is that counts?

3. If the number of tyres count do you have to actually finish a full lap with a set of tyres, or is it enough to have it on the car?
- maybe have just 1 pitstop, where you put a set of softs to the car, then immediately change it to a set of hards within the same pitstop. Is that count as two?
- what if you change the tyre but finish the race in the pit, before going to live track with the tyre? same if you go and change it after formation lap, but before start.

For the Monaco race, each driver must use at least three different types of tyre (either dry or wet). If a driver does not use intermediate or wet tyres in the race, they must use at least two different slick tyre compounds, of which one must be from the mandatory dry compounds (Hard or Medium). Unless the race is suspended and cannot be re-started, failure to comply with these requirements will result in the disqualification of the relevant driver from the race results. In this case thirty seconds will be added to the elapsed time of any driver who did not, when required to do so, use at least two specifications of dry-weather tyre during the race, or who did not use at least three sets of tyres of any specification during the race. Furthermore, an additional thirty seconds will be added to the elapsed time of any driver who used only one set of tyres of any specification during the race.

That's the official wording. Nothing actually mandating two stops.

It seems like we'll have the usual situation where a red flag restart will still give teams opportunity to switch compounds and have it count towards the three sets. So yea, if we get a bad crash on the first lap or something, we could easily go right back to having an effective one stop race anyways.

Also, just to clarify one other point, a tire set isn't considered used til a driver exits the pitlane, so there'd be no last lap shenanigans.

Below is the actual article 30.5 m of the latest sporting regulations revision. It does not mention compound or type but is very precise with tyre specifications as defined in Article 30.2c)ii

https://www.fia.com/system/files/docume ... -04-30.pdf

"For all races except the race in Monaco, unless they have used intermediate or wetweather tyres during the race, each driver must use at least two (2) different
specifications of dry-weather tyres during the race, at least one (1) of which must be a
mandatory dry-weather race tyre specification as defined in Article 30.2c)ii).
For the race in Monaco, each driver must use at least three (3) sets of tyres of any
specification described in Article 30.1a)i) during the race and, unless they have used
intermediate or wet-weather tyres during the race, each driver must use at least two (2)
different specifications of dry-weather tyres during the race, at least one (1) of which must
be a mandatory dry-weather race tyre specification as defined in Article 30.2c)ii).
Unless the race is suspended and cannot be re-started, failure to comply with these
requirements will result in the disqualification of the relevant driver from the race results.
For all races except the race in Monaco, if the race is suspended and cannot be re-started,
thirty (30) seconds will be added to the elapsed time of any driver who did not, when
required to do so, use at least two (2) specifications of dry-weather tyre during the race.
For the race in Monaco, if the race is suspended and cannot be re-started, thirty (30)
seconds will be added to the elapsed time of any driver who did not, when required to do
so, use at least two (2) specifications of dry-weather tyre during the race, or who did not
use at least three (3) sets of tyres of any specification during the race. Furthermore, an
additional thirty (30) seconds will be added to the elapsed time of any driver who used
only one (1) set of tyres of any specification during the race."

[Big Tea]

I see a chance for a out side bet to roll the dice. For instance, Williams have a nice buffer so may be worth taking a chance and going for it big time, or Sauber Alpine who have a do or die chance to get some points to cover next years travel, even if it means 2 pitstops in the first few laps, but Aston are the prime suspects of playing a flanker as they have the team and resources to try the unusual. But with my unerring judgement ( ? ) it is obviously going to be the Racing Bulls who play a trump hand.

So please explain:
How is this Sauber pitting in the first two laps faster than any other car, top 10, ahead if it is on similar aged tires?

These whole stories are just based on anyone going slow. But no one will go slow, they will drive a 2-stop race, the faster the better.

What I mean is I do not have a clue. Each option has good and bad so who does what is not really clear. The pitting early, I mean get all the tyre changes done while the team mate holds up as much of the field as possible then the car would have a clear run, moving up the order as all the other cars make their pitstops while the car that has done all the tyre swaps just keeps on in what is actually the same gap, but gaining position as the others rejoin behind them