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Looking forward to the Silverstone upgrade, reading between the lines from the Newey interview, it seems it will have some of his direction/instruction behind it and will be 100% from the new wind tunnel, while the Imola upgrade was an iteration from the Bahrain pre-season test upgrade package. I'm hoping to have a McLaren 2023 sort of effect, or at least make us the clear 5th best team, especially given Williams are done for this year in terms of updates.

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Such a frustrating season so far. We were on course for P8, worst case.

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At least performance is better!

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Alo_Fan wrote:
25 May 2025, 19:37
Looking forward to the Silverstone upgrade, reading between the lines from the Newey interview, it seems it will have some of his direction/instruction behind it and will be 100% from the new wind tunnel, while the Imola upgrade was an iteration from the Bahrain pre-season test upgrade package. I'm hoping to have a McLaren 2023 sort of effect, or at least make us the clear 5th best team, especially given Williams are done for this year in terms of updates.
I'm also hoping for a McLaren-style revival in 2023. In fact, a few weeks ago I was reviewing the modifications McLaren made.

In the fifth race of that season (Miami), McLaren hit rock bottom: it failed to reach Q2.
But by the tenth race (Silverstone), it was back on its feet. It finished P2 & P3 in qualifying and P2 & P4 in the race.
The modifications made resulted in the McL38 "B" and were as follows: a new front wing; new front suspension geometry; improved rear suspension; revised front and rear brake ducts and wiglets; a new floor; a revised sidepod inlet; and new engine covers.

They were so numerous, and some of them so significant, that I couldn't draw any conclusions.
But I also remember McL making some statements that caught my attention: at first, they had misinterpreted something; something was behaving in reality exactly the opposite of what was behaving in theory. I've searched for those statements but haven't been able to find them.

This year, seeing how Williams has also improved significantly, I also hoped AM would find the key soon.

We're having a bitter season, but I'm still confident that Newey will find the solution and that this feeling of failure will disappear... soon.
At least the car is running better now. The engine failure was a disappointment, but the engine itself is perhaps the least of my worries.
Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

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Jambier wrote:
25 May 2025, 22:14
At least performance is better!
Meaningless... because he won't benefit from it. Cowell wants him out, I am sure of it. It doesn't matter if 2026 is better, it won't be enough for a title in what he has left and that's the only thing that matters.

Theres no point in following the teams performance anymore. I give up.

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KimiRai wrote:
26 May 2025, 02:46
Jambier wrote:
25 May 2025, 22:14
At least performance is better!
Meaningless... because he won't benefit from it. Cowell wants him out, I am sure of it. It doesn't matter if 2026 is better, it won't be enough for a title in what he has left and that's the only thing that matters.

Theres no point in following the teams performance anymore. I give up.
He being Alonso or Stroll?

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Do You really think Aston is sabotating Alonso? After that shining and vibrant reaction by Alonso after Qualy? If he was being sabotaged, he would know and would never react that way. They never have Verstappen for next year, so they simple dont renew with Alonso for 2027 if they dont want him. You can see the happy face from Alonso in Imola and now in Monaco, obviously not after races, but before. For me, to think that Aston is sabotaging Alonso is total madness.

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If Aston had sabotaged Alonso we would never have gotten evil Lawrence Stroll pushing Newey for 2025 updates

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Yeah, think KimiRai is just frustrated.

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I hope Adrian Newey had something to say about the pitstops because no one else in the team seems to acknowledge this weak point.

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Strategy has been bad since Bernie Collins left, I think.

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TyreSlip wrote:
26 May 2025, 15:18
I hope Adrian Newey had something to say about the pitstops because no one else in the team seems to acknowledge this weak point.
Alonso would really need 3 stops? i 100% sure Hamilton started on hards, and after that they used medium and hards again.

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TyreSlip wrote:
26 May 2025, 15:18
I hope Adrian Newey had something to say about the pitstops because no one else in the team seems to acknowledge this weak point.
That's gonna fall under Cowell and Krack. Although the design piece would fall under Newey.

Lance's 23.9 was amoung the best, it's not a people problem. Rims sticking, Alonso's first stop(25.375), is a hardware issue.

I would bet that, going into 2025 they choose to live with it as it's all being redesigned for next year.

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Rikrikrik wrote:
26 May 2025, 16:05
TyreSlip wrote:
26 May 2025, 15:18
I hope Adrian Newey had something to say about the pitstops because no one else in the team seems to acknowledge this weak point.
Alonso would really need 3 stops? i 100% sure Hamilton started on hards, and after that they used medium and hards again.
Everyone had to do 2 stops. Alonso was going for Hard, hard, Medium or soft.

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FNTC wrote:
26 May 2025, 16:04
Strategy has been bad since Bernie Collins left, I think.
If they would have pitted when they did and had a clean pit stop (including not having Ocon pit right after them and get in the way), they would have come out ahead of Hadjar. That still means they hadn't thought of Hamilton. To have a chance at staying ahead of Hamilton, they would have needed to come out on Softs or mediums. If they would have put Softs or mediums on, Alonso would have been able to push hard on his exit.

So the strategy was right, they just didn't execute. I don't think Alonso had the pace to stay ahead of Hadjar on hards vs Hadjar on Softs(Hadjar went green green green on the first lap with the new tires).
#1 The front left stuck a bit, which got further complicated when Alonso had to wait for Ocon.
#2 They put the wrong tires to have a chance at executing the strategy.