2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[DJ Downforce]

hope Elkan is smarter. one user mentioned here few pages back how this team is always trying to chase wins to satisfy fans, and expectation so can't really build step by step something to that effect
I tend to agree with that..

look at McLaren, when they were at building stage ie like in 2023 there was no expectation from media hardly no one gave them attention, The attention that Ferrari receives, even after positive weekend like last, the media is obsessed with Lewis and Adami radio.. Imagine if Ferrari did similar to Lando/mclaren in zandvoort 2023 when it rained havily and Lando was told on radio he was faster on slicks in that rain by that race engineer, the media pretty much din't pay attention to that, if it was Ferrari they would have been crucified, heck social media paid more attention to the fact that when Charles pitted they were not ready but then he overtook russell and lando who were still on slicks but social media paid more attention to ferrari not being ready in pits than those on slicks being told by race engineer that they were somehow faster go figure.

so yea if top brass only care about their image and what press talks about them then forget it, I don't think they will win for another 10 years. they need to forget about media and there image and focus on building up like McLaren step by step, if that's the case I think next best chance would be 2027 since next year is unpredictable

Elkan?? LOL. No. Look him up.

The shift to marketing happened on October 13, 2014 when Montezemolo left. His exit was driven by multiple factors, primarily a clash with Fiat Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne, who wanted to use the brand and alter the ethos of Ferrari F1. Montezemolo wanted a racing team, Marchionne wanted a merch franchise. You now understand the implications of that moment in time for Ferrari.

Merc came out with a power unit 5 years ahead of everyone else in 2014, and finished off Montezemolo. In his final statements Luca claimed: “Ferrari will have an important role to play within the FCA Group in the upcoming flotation on Wall Street. This will open up a new and different phase which I feel should be spearheaded by the CEO of the Group.”

AI says:
“While the official narrative points to strategic disagreements and Formula 1 performance as key drivers of Montezemolo’s exit, it’s worth noting the personal and political dynamics at play. Montezemolo’s aristocratic background and close ties to the Agnelli family gave him significant influence, but Marchionne’s rise within FCA reflected a shift toward a more global, profit-driven approach.

The timing of the FCA stock listing suggests Montezemolo’s departure was partly orchestrated to align Ferrari with Marchionne’s vision, potentially at the cost of its racing heritage. The lack of transparency around the severance package and the exact terms of his exit fuels speculation about internal power struggles. Additionally, Montezemolo’s later comments about Ferrari’s “lack of soul” and leadership issues post-2014 indicate ongoing tensions about the company’s direction.

In summary, Montezemolo’s departure from Ferrari was a pivotal moment driven by a clash with Marchionne over strategy, compounded by the Formula 1 team’s poor performance and the impending FCA stock listing. It marked the end of an era for Ferrari, with lasting implications for its brand identity and racing legacy.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/u53fqxx0Ce0PHQRsAXsvDu2fm

Please don't post AI generated garbage here, particularly that made by "Grok". Think for yourself and do proper research.

[DJ Downforce]

Christian Horner? Ferrari would've gone to the dogs if that pervert joined at a senior role.

[ringo]

I do not think Horner will exist as any thing in F1 outside of Red Bull. It's all he knows and I do not think he sees himself as a career team manager that will ply that trade anywhere they go. I think once he's out of Red Bull, he is out of team management for good.
What I find with posting mostly on this thread now( I have been posting, but avoid going too deep into the team politics) is how impatient some of Ferrari fans and posters are. No time is given for the team to recover or to build any kind of momentum. It's always about slash and burn once the team loses or makes a mistake.
I say let Fred and Hamilton cook. They will get a championship in time. Let the pieces come together little by little.
2025 will be P2 in the constructors with a few wins. And 2026 the champipnship will come.

[Vanja #66]

Elkan?? LOL. No. Look him up.

The shift to marketing happened on October 13, 2014 when Montezemolo left. His exit was driven by multiple factors, primarily a clash with Fiat Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne, who wanted to use the brand and alter the ethos of Ferrari F1. Montezemolo wanted a racing team, Marchionne wanted a merch franchise. You now understand the implications of that moment in time for Ferrari.

Merc came out with a power unit 5 years ahead of everyone else in 2014, and finished off Montezemolo. In his final statements Luca claimed: “Ferrari will have an important role to play within the FCA Group in the upcoming flotation on Wall Street. This will open up a new and different phase which I feel should be spearheaded by the CEO of the Group.”

AI says:
“While the official narrative points to strategic disagreements and Formula 1 performance as key drivers of Montezemolo’s exit, it’s worth noting the personal and political dynamics at play. Montezemolo’s aristocratic background and close ties to the Agnelli family gave him significant influence, but Marchionne’s rise within FCA reflected a shift toward a more global, profit-driven approach.

The timing of the FCA stock listing suggests Montezemolo’s departure was partly orchestrated to align Ferrari with Marchionne’s vision, potentially at the cost of its racing heritage. The lack of transparency around the severance package and the exact terms of his exit fuels speculation about internal power struggles. Additionally, Montezemolo’s later comments about Ferrari’s “lack of soul” and leadership issues post-2014 indicate ongoing tensions about the company’s direction.

In summary, Montezemolo’s departure from Ferrari was a pivotal moment driven by a clash with Marchionne over strategy, compounded by the Formula 1 team’s poor performance and the impending FCA stock listing. It marked the end of an era for Ferrari, with lasting implications for its brand identity and racing legacy.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/u53fqxx0Ce0PHQRsAXsvDu2fm

Nothing about this post is true, which really does not happen that often on this forum

Kudos

[Jdn1327]

Does anyone think ferrari will suffer from the new TD this weekend?

[Farnborough]

Does anyone think ferrari will suffer from the new TD this weekend?

They APPEAR to be, tentatively that is, one of the team that could "hold" ground in this little shake up.

Nothing is certain, but with aero surfaces looking more conservative in how they flex, so far this season, then reasonable projection can be made to this effect.

Like anyone else though, we'll find out soon enough this weekend.

[Farnborough]

Christian Horner? Ferrari would've gone to the dogs if that pervert joined at a senior role.

I feel the majority would accept the devil incarnate if it brought double championship to this team

Putting my thoughts in context though, I feel Fred is doing a good job of this role, and doesn't NEED replacement. His squeezing people into giving their absolute best is something that is a rare attribute. Some hard decisions must be made, but encouraging and creating an overall team in which people can drag out more of their internal abilities is generally very productive.

He resists demonised views of his personell admirably (im sure everyone thats an employee would welcome that) to best leverage those skills available.

To echo the comments previously given, the impatience and downright pathetic contribution sometimes to this team thread in judgment of others, is not of very considered and resolved view.

[venkyhere]

Does anyone think ferrari will suffer from the new TD this weekend?

There is so much written/video-ed/audio-ed about this "TD18 for Barcelona GP" and how it's a 'game changer' , how teams are going to 'suffer' etc etc, they are all clickbaits where incongruous content is being stuffed into the reader/viewer's face.

What is this really ? The front wing flexes (more in some cars, less in others) and the advantage that this offers is - as speeds go higher and higher, the more the wing 'bends' downward (laterally and longitudinally) - the lesser the drag, the lesser the front downforce ; compared to the situation where the front wing is 100% rigid.
It's obvious, the advantage of lesser drag. When is less front downforce useful ? It's useful in a straight line and in high speed long corners, where it's preferable to have the center of pressure on the car to shift rearwards, as any 'strong bite' from the front tyres can produce snap oversteer on the car. The 'less intensely' the front tyres jam into the tarmac in this situation, the 'more room for noise filtering' is there on small twitches in the steering from the vibrations transmitted through the drivers hands from a cockpit which has nil NVH damping. That's all there is to it, IMHO.

And even before this 2025 season started, during the winter break it was announced that all teams will get an "8 races worth preparation time" to correct their wings. Has there ever been a TD that is so much lenient ? I don't have any, in recent memory. All teams have had enough time to 'adapt' their wing and floor designs to 'accommodate' this TD18. I don't expect anyone to suffer a 'performance shocker' because of this TD. There might be slight increase in straightline drag (and hence top speed reduction) for many teams, but nothing more than that. Ferrari, who have had the 'least flexi' front wing of all, are hoping to cash in on their top-speed advantage, since even in the first 8 races, they have been amongst the bunch of cars with highest top speed.

Other than this, I don't think this TD18 is going to do anything. It would have, had it been imposed right from race1. But from the 9th race, this 'bomb' is already a diffused one.

[Wynters]

AI says:

Do we really have such a low bar for factual accuracy that we are now using AI as a source? We might as well rely on some drunk guy in a bar (although, to be fair, I'm doing the drunk guy a disservice with the comparison).

[DJ Downforce]

I do not think Horner will exist as any thing in F1 outside of Red Bull. It's all he knows and I do not think he sees himself as a career team manager that will ply that trade anywhere they go. I think once he's out of Red Bull, he is out of team management for good.
What I find with posting mostly on this thread now( I have been posting, but avoid going too deep into the team politics) is how impatient some of Ferrari fans and posters are. No time is given for the team to recover or to build any kind of momentum. It's always about slash and burn once the team loses or makes a mistake.
I say let Fred and Hamilton cook. They will get a championship in time. Let the pieces come together little by little.
2025 will be P2 in the constructors with a few wins. And 2026 the championship will come.

I agree with these statements but the last one will depend on Ferrari providing a fair power unit and Mercedes not delivering a rocket ship PU

[DJ Downforce]

AI says:

Do we really have such a low bar for factual accuracy that we are now using AI as a source? We might as well rely on some drunk guy in a bar (although, to be fair, I'm doing the drunk guy a disservice with the comparison).

An Anti AI policy needs to be added to the forums' rules. You can check out Chuck's post history to see why he had to rely on AI to make a good point

[DJ Downforce]

Does anyone think ferrari will suffer from the new TD this weekend?

There is so much written/video-ed/audio-ed about this "TD18 for Barcelona GP" and how it's a 'game changer' , how teams are going to 'suffer' etc etc, they are all clickbaits where incongruous content is being stuffed into the reader/viewer's face.

What is this really ? The front wing flexes (more in some cars, less in others) and the advantage that this offers is - as speeds go higher and higher, the more the wing 'bends' downward (laterally and longitudinally) - the lesser the drag, the lesser the front downforce ; compared to the situation where the front wing is 100% rigid.
It's obvious, the advantage of lesser drag. When is less front downforce useful ? It's useful in a straight line and in high speed long corners, where it's preferable to have the center of pressure on the car to shift rearwards, as any 'strong bite' from the front tyres can produce snap oversteer on the car. The 'less intensely' the front tyres jam into the tarmac in this situation, the 'more room for noise filtering' is there on small twitches in the steering from the vibrations transmitted through the drivers hands from a cockpit which has nil NVH damping. That's all there is to it, IMHO.

And even before this 2025 season started, during the winter break it was announced that all teams will get an "8 races worth preparation time" to correct their wings. Has there ever been a TD that is so much lenient ? I don't have any, in recent memory. All teams have had enough time to 'adapt' their wing and floor designs to 'accommodate' this TD18. I don't expect anyone to suffer a 'performance shocker' because of this TD. There might be slight increase in straightline drag (and hence top speed reduction) for many teams, but nothing more than that. Ferrari, who have had the 'least flexi' front wing of all, are hoping to cash in on their top-speed advantage, since even in the first 8 races, they have been amongst the bunch of cars with highest top speed.

Other than this, I don't think this TD18 is going to do anything. It would have, had it been imposed right from race1. But from the 9th race, this 'bomb' is already a diffused one.

I was under the impression that the primary motivation of the flexi wing was purely balance. The drag reduction imo is negligible. But I guess we can see in quali if the top speeds of certain cars are lower (though McLaren already has a low top speed anyway).

[r85]

Does anyone think ferrari will suffer from the new TD this weekend?

They APPEAR to be, tentatively that is, one of the team that could "hold" ground in this little shake up.

Nothing is certain, but with aero surfaces looking more conservative in how they flex, so far this season, then reasonable projection can be made to this effect.

Like anyone else though, we'll find out soon enough this weekend.

Yep, Ferrari seem to have the least flex but I don't see the order changing. Maybe close up slightly but nothing more. Ferrari is held back by their mechanical platform more than everything (please correct me if I'm wrong). Vanja mentioned on one of his X posts that they could unlock 2 - 3 tenths of pace if the suspension issue is sorted out.

[venkyhere]

Does anyone think ferrari will suffer from the new TD this weekend?

There is so much written/video-ed/audio-ed about this "TD18 for Barcelona GP" and how it's a 'game changer' , how teams are going to 'suffer' etc etc, they are all clickbaits where incongruous content is being stuffed into the reader/viewer's face.

What is this really ? The front wing flexes (more in some cars, less in others) and the advantage that this offers is - as speeds go higher and higher, the more the wing 'bends' downward (laterally and longitudinally) - the lesser the drag, the lesser the front downforce ; compared to the situation where the front wing is 100% rigid.
It's obvious, the advantage of lesser drag. When is less front downforce useful ? It's useful in a straight line and in high speed long corners, where it's preferable to have the center of pressure on the car to shift rearwards, as any 'strong bite' from the front tyres can produce snap oversteer on the car. The 'less intensely' the front tyres jam into the tarmac in this situation, the 'more room for noise filtering' is there on small twitches in the steering from the vibrations transmitted through the drivers hands from a cockpit which has nil NVH damping. That's all there is to it, IMHO.

And even before this 2025 season started, during the winter break it was announced that all teams will get an "8 races worth preparation time" to correct their wings. Has there ever been a TD that is so much lenient ? I don't have any, in recent memory. All teams have had enough time to 'adapt' their wing and floor designs to 'accommodate' this TD18. I don't expect anyone to suffer a 'performance shocker' because of this TD. There might be slight increase in straightline drag (and hence top speed reduction) for many teams, but nothing more than that. Ferrari, who have had the 'least flexi' front wing of all, are hoping to cash in on their top-speed advantage, since even in the first 8 races, they have been amongst the bunch of cars with highest top speed.

Other than this, I don't think this TD18 is going to do anything. It would have, had it been imposed right from race1. But from the 9th race, this 'bomb' is already a diffused one.

I was under the impression that the primary motivation of the flexi wing was purely balance. The drag reduction imo is negligible. But I guess we can see in quali if the top speeds of certain cars are lower (though McLaren already has a low top speed anyway).

yes, same thing - setup for oversteery/neutral balance in slow/medium corners, as speed climbs in fast corners the wing will flex and make it neutral/understeery balance. In other words, flexing front wings = automatic balance changer, dynamically with speed.

[deadhead]

Do these wings affect top speed at all?