2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[dialtone]

Almost all of the loss on a single lap from LEC is due to absolutely terrible T7.



These are the "best" laps in race sim (no drs and so on, not particularly researched the optimal set of laps to find).



Ferrari is looking quite good here as well including 7-8-9.
In particular 9 into 10, 2 into 4, T10 itself is not good.

The car is not bad even here, I say again that the times are close.

[Hammerfist]

I'm obviously wrong because I appear to be the only one not confident enough to be able to run an F1 team, but the race pace times look pretty decent.

LEC/HAM came out 8-9 laps after VER to do their race sim, and particularly on the softs the times were comparable to RBR.
Merc did a long stint on the softs, probably to try and check a 1 pit stop strategy doing S-M, their times are a bit slow but mostly because of this.
MCL is just faster than the rest on either a 1 stop or a 2 stop.

Call me whatever you want but from FP2 times and setups, apart from MCL it looks pretty close across the top.

I would be a terrible TP as well, don't get me wrong.

I said that Ferrari is run by incompetents, which is something backed by lack of results in the last i don't know how many years. When you account the resources they have, the drivers they clearly unperformed massively, which means something is wrong somewhere.

I also said that I would have stopped SF 25 development, which again is something that smart people like James Vowles are already doing with their teams and rightfully so because they know they won't win anything this year.

I find the insistence to abandon development not even halfway into a season so annoying and so ummecessary. How did that work out for Mercedes in 21 when they abandoned development in a championship contending seasonn to focus on next year? The next year they produced a far below par car. I could probably find other examples that show switching development early means nothing if your original concept is flawed, how do you think Ferrari can be expected to nail next years car if they can’t fix this year? For me it’s bonkers to suggest so. So please stop.

[f1isgood]

I'm obviously wrong because I appear to be the only one not confident enough to be able to run an F1 team, but the race pace times look pretty decent.

LEC/HAM came out 8-9 laps after VER to do their race sim, and particularly on the softs the times were comparable to RBR.
Merc did a long stint on the softs, probably to try and check a 1 pit stop strategy doing S-M, their times are a bit slow but mostly because of this.
MCL is just faster than the rest on either a 1 stop or a 2 stop.

Call me whatever you want but from FP2 times and setups, apart from MCL it looks pretty close across the top.

I would be a terrible TP as well, don't get me wrong.

I said that Ferrari is run by incompetents, which is something backed by lack of results in the last i don't know how many years. When you account the resources they have, the drivers they clearly unperformed massively, which means something is wrong somewhere.

I also said that I would have stopped SF 25 development, which again is something that smart people like James Vowles are already doing with their teams and rightfully so because they know they won't win anything this year.

I find the insistence to abandon development not even halfway into a season so annoying and so ummecessary. How did that work out for Mercedes in 21 when they abandoned development in a championship contending seasonn to focus on next year? The next year they produced a far below par car. I could probably find other examples that show switching development early means nothing if your original concept is flawed, how do you think Ferrari can be expected to nail next years car if they can’t fix this year? For me it’s bonkers to suggest so. So please stop.

What a terrible analogy. Mercedes had enough margin in 2021 to focus on 2022. Their title fight was sealed after the Silverstone upgrades. They won the constructors as well and were within touching distance of the driver's as well. The car was good enough so they could move to 2022 early. Only Red Bull car was struggling against Mercedes and hence had to bring failed upgrades as late as Jeddah in 2021.

Ferrari didn't worry about 2021 and focused on 2022 and did a damn good job before Wolff brought the TD to ruin their concept. If you are not fighting for anything there's no point in wasting time on something that gives no benefit. In 2021, Ferrari improved their electrical side of things with the engine which helped them get P3 in the WCC if I recall correctly.

[gleefulmourner]

Returning to the forum after several years away, though I was a regular lurker. I continued as a Ferrari fan, as I have since the early 1960’s.
My belief (or lack, if you prefer) is that the Schumacher Golden era did not mean lack of driver quality, but loss of technical skill along with the inability to identify and retain technical ability. This year’s car IMO is the absolute nadir of technical accomplishment. I have no faith in the technical organization and none in management’s ability to recognize and sign the sort of engineers we need to win.
Yes, I have lived through more than six decades of Ferrari F1. This is the most frustrating.

[Space-heat]

I'm obviously wrong because I appear to be the only one not confident enough to be able to run an F1 team, but the race pace times look pretty decent.

LEC/HAM came out 8-9 laps after VER to do their race sim, and particularly on the softs the times were comparable to RBR.
Merc did a long stint on the softs, probably to try and check a 1 pit stop strategy doing S-M, their times are a bit slow but mostly because of this.
MCL is just faster than the rest on either a 1 stop or a 2 stop.

Call me whatever you want but from FP2 times and setups, apart from MCL it looks pretty close across the top.

I agree. I'm actually more hopeful than before FP1.

On the Medium long run, Charles complained about the tyres being destroyed on the outlap and complained until they let him pit for soft.

On the soft, he said the tyres felt like they had marbles from the first corner to the end. Said it felt terrible. He asked if they had changed the FW clicks, and that the feeling was so different.

Obviously, it would be great to be top of the table, but Charles was also positive post FP2, so I think P4/P3 points could be in play.

[Space-heat]

Wasn't Ferrari meant to introduce a large upgrade package in Barcelona?

No. Also nothing will save this car (and by save i mean good enough to win).

Well, the rear suspension upgrade could work.

Surely, having actual track data of the floor performance/characteristic should make the sus update perfect. If they botch the fix, then I'll be big worried with the technical team side.

[deadhead]

They must be testing some extreme setups



https://x.com/fred__18/status/192847543 ... 2n8am2mMAg

“Hamilton now in great difficulty. he is the only one who even has to brake at the last corner, 7kph slower than #Leclerc and 17kph ​​slower than Russell there “

[Hammerfist]

I would be a terrible TP as well, don't get me wrong.

I said that Ferrari is run by incompetents, which is something backed by lack of results in the last i don't know how many years. When you account the resources they have, the drivers they clearly unperformed massively, which means something is wrong somewhere.

I also said that I would have stopped SF 25 development, which again is something that smart people like James Vowles are already doing with their teams and rightfully so because they know they won't win anything this year.

I find the insistence to abandon development not even halfway into a season so annoying and so ummecessary. How did that work out for Mercedes in 21 when they abandoned development in a championship contending seasonn to focus on next year? The next year they produced a far below par car. I could probably find other examples that show switching development early means nothing if your original concept is flawed, how do you think Ferrari can be expected to nail next years car if they can’t fix this year? For me it’s bonkers to suggest so. So please stop.

What a terrible analogy. Mercedes had enough margin in 2021 to focus on 2022. Their title fight was sealed after the Silverstone upgrades. They won the constructors as well and were within touching distance of the driver's as well. The car was good enough so they could move to 2022 early. Only Red Bull car was struggling against Mercedes and hence had to bring failed upgrades as late as Jeddah in 2021.

Ferrari didn't worry about 2021 and focused on 2022 and did a damn good job before Wolff brought the TD to ruin their concept. If you are not fighting for anything there's no point in wasting time on something that gives no benefit. In 2021, Ferrari improved their electrical side of things with the engine which helped them get P3 in the WCC if I recall correctly.

Absolute nonsense. Getting regulations right usually have to do with finding a silver bullet but you also need to have a great understanding of your current concept. The best car in the next regulations has probably been decided already. What ferrari does to this years car from now on can only help for next year but it wont be what decides their fate.

Williams can be excused to shift focus early because they just dont have the same resources ferrari has.

[dialtone]

They must be testing some extreme setups



https://x.com/fred__18/status/192847543 ... 2n8am2mMAg

“Hamilton now in great difficulty. he is the only one who even has to brake at the last corner, 7kph slower than #Leclerc and 17kph ​​slower than Russell there “

what lap is that?

EDIT: looks like that's the fast lap. LEC also was the only one to brake in exit from T7. Ferrari didn't put together good single lap pace today.

[Farnborough]

I find the insistence to abandon development not even halfway into a season so annoying and so ummecessary. How did that work out for Mercedes in 21 when they abandoned development in a championship contending seasonn to focus on next year? The next year they produced a far below par car. I could probably find other examples that show switching development early means nothing if your original concept is flawed, how do you think Ferrari can be expected to nail next years car if they can’t fix this year? For me it’s bonkers to suggest so. So please stop.

What a terrible analogy. Mercedes had enough margin in 2021 to focus on 2022. Their title fight was sealed after the Silverstone upgrades. They won the constructors as well and were within touching distance of the driver's as well. The car was good enough so they could move to 2022 early. Only Red Bull car was struggling against Mercedes and hence had to bring failed upgrades as late as Jeddah in 2021.

Ferrari didn't worry about 2021 and focused on 2022 and did a damn good job before Wolff brought the TD to ruin their concept. If you are not fighting for anything there's no point in wasting time on something that gives no benefit. In 2021, Ferrari improved their electrical side of things with the engine which helped them get P3 in the WCC if I recall correctly.

Absolute nonsense. Getting regulations right usually have to do with finding a silver bullet but you also need to have a great understanding of your current concept. The best car in the next regulations has probably been decided already. What ferrari does to this years car from now on can only help for next year but it wont be what decides their fate.

Williams can be excused to shift focus early because they just dont have the same resources ferrari has.

I'm in agreement with Hammerfist. Also would add its not development of SF 25 they are specifically chasing, but more to understand and close out what they've done wrong conceptually within mechanical platform. Thats the value in this period. As H has noted, if they don't understand this one, what chance is there of getting next one wrong.

There's no point in waiting for next year to only find the same is still there. Now IS an important and track based (not theoretical and good on the drawing board) experience for them.

[ringo]

They need to keep developing at least up to ob track validation of the new suspension.
They already have resources dedicated to 2026.
So the 2025 would have no problems continuing to work on 2025 at least until SF25 is validated without the handicap of compromiaed suspension. That is very important for the 2026 car.
Reason being the same tools are used. Correlation in 25 is important for 26.


So far car looks average in Barcelona. Even if we qualify poorly, I have a hunch the car will find its stride half way through the race. The rigid wings take away some flexibility if you will from the setup and balance which wont be so clear for 1 lap pace or short stint. It will rear its head in long run pace, and theoretically Ferrari would have the least change since their wing was purportedly in compliance.
We already see that Mercedes suffered with race pace. And Hamilton himself said in 2024 it was flexi wings introduced in Miami that improved the car for them. McLaren may look a little less magical. I am not sure about Redbull, but maybe the suffer also. Williams will suffer too.
All in all, i am predicting a strong weekend, even if qualy is mediocre.

[Farnborough]

I'd be very surprised (positively so too) if this SF25 could be really competitive here in Barcelona.

The mechanical attributes it currently possess were very well matched to Monaco demands. I thought that before Monaco began, and so it proved in very positive way there. Here it just doesn't look like it can exert command over tyre (not from looking at FP running) by logical appreciation of how it applies load to the tyres and inbuilt current design.

Canada LOOKS more up it's street in how it can be used there. I'd expect better relative performance at that track rather than here.

[Xyz22]

Nico Rosberg on the Ferrari in FP2:

"If we can come to the worst car – as I mentioned out on track – is the Ferrari. Oh my goodness! Poor Lewis Hamilton. That car is a handful. It has the biggest understeer, and it has the biggest snap oversteer."

[Chuckjr]

Ferrari was all over the place. Lewis would not be shaking his head if things were even kinda hunky-dory.

[Chuckjr]