2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[ringo]

Some interesting quotes - https://autoracer.it/it/leclerc-podio-n ... -gp-spagna

Charles -

“We got on the podium because we were lucky with the Safety Car. So, I don't think I have much more confidence to get on the podium regularly. But yes, we are getting there. I guess we're starting to understand the car, how can we set it to get the most out of it. However, we have to take rather extreme directions, which doesn't make it so pleasant to drive. So unless there are updates very soon, I think it will be difficult to fight regularly for the podium. I am very happy with our weekend, but I am not happy with our overall performance. And on this, we must take a step forward soon“.

From Fred -

"In this regard, it should be noted that Ferrari team principal Fred Vasseur declared that both cars had a problem in the final stint, without specifying its nature: "We also had a problem with Charles, not just with Lewis, but not something related to oil. I don't know anything about this, maybe it's something from someone who was ahead." When asked if Leclerc and Hamilton suffered from the same problem, the Team Principal was clear: "No" without going further into the explanation."

What? So both cars had problems but they were two different problems? Lol...

Cue the theories about what he means!

I hope its not fuel, or skid wear. The worst thing to hear now is DQ from not enough fuel sample or skid block wear!

[Xyz22]

Leclerc said to Piastri, in the cooldown room, that the car was changing massively from one stint to the others. Piastri, on the other hand, replied the feeling was very consistent through the stints. This is another huge indication of McL39 fantastic chassis.
Having a consistent balance is key to be quick in race trim as the good old Rory Byrne always said.

[Luscion]

Some interesting quotes - https://autoracer.it/it/leclerc-podio-n ... -gp-spagna

Charles -

From Fred -

What? So both cars had problems but they were two different problems? Lol...

Cue the theories about what he means!

I hope its not fuel, or skid wear. The worst thing to hear now is DQ from not enough fuel sample or skid block wear!

All cars have already passed the post race tests so theyre good there

[Space-heat]

Ferrari anticipated the 2nd LEC pit stop a bit too much, his pace was fine and didn't need to do 25 laps on the last set, but overall they ran a flawless set of pits again.

Ferrari pit wall didn’t want to stop. Charles had a big snap in T4/5 and called it from the car. At the start of the third stint Bryan was vocal that he had to do 3 more laps on that set.

On low fuel race pace. Two things. Charles was doing a lot of lico I assume for fuel. Bryan was at him every lap from the middle of the race. Charles said the balance of the car completely shifted out of the window for him when he put on the third set of tyres. It might be fuel related, bad tyres or something else.

Completely agree, I’ve been on the hopium train that with the ride height fix we will be in or about McL on some tracks. It is a shame as I think Austria and Canada would be strong tracks for the SF25 if we could run as designed. Main thing is to keep getting podiums.

Also surprised Merc weren’t hit more by the TD, any hope they would drop off a cliff and leave Us a clear run on Max and McL look unlikely but only one track sample.

[ScuderiaLeo]

I hope its not fuel, or skid wear. The worst thing to hear now is DQ from not enough fuel sample or skid block wear!

All calculated, don't worry

[Luscion]

Some interesting quotes - https://autoracer.it/it/leclerc-podio-n ... -gp-spagna

Charles -

“We got on the podium because we were lucky with the Safety Car. So, I don't think I have much more confidence to get on the podium regularly. But yes, we are getting there. I guess we're starting to understand the car, how can we set it to get the most out of it. However, we have to take rather extreme directions, which doesn't make it so pleasant to drive. So unless there are updates very soon, I think it will be difficult to fight regularly for the podium. I am very happy with our weekend, but I am not happy with our overall performance. And on this, we must take a step forward soon“.

From Fred -

"In this regard, it should be noted that Ferrari team principal Fred Vasseur declared that both cars had a problem in the final stint, without specifying its nature: "We also had a problem with Charles, not just with Lewis, but not something related to oil. I don't know anything about this, maybe it's something from someone who was ahead." When asked if Leclerc and Hamilton suffered from the same problem, the Team Principal was clear: "No" without going further into the explanation."

What? So both cars had problems but they were two different problems? Lol...

Cue the theories about what he means!

*puts on theory cap* i was thinking both drivers having to slow down for plank wear concerns but then Fred said it was different issues for Charles and Lewis so maybe not but then again both for DSQ in china for different reasons with one being for too much wear, but interesting that Fred wont say what it is

Lewis -

"Today's race was definitely far from what I was hoping to experience. I was confident before the race, after a good qualifying and with the car that seemed to be improving in performance. In the race instead the balance wasn't what I wanted and we lacked pace from the beginning. At the moment we don't have an explanation, we'll have to analyze the data and understand if there was some kind of problem'.".

Fred -

Hamilton also raised the suspicion that something was wrong with his SF-25 via radio at the end of the grand prix. And team principal Fred Vasseur spoke about unspecified problems on car number 44: 'Lewis had good pace until the last stint, where he suffered balance problems. He had a problem with the car, I won't say what the problem was'

[dialtone]

*puts on theory cap* i was thinking both drivers having to slow down for plank wear concerns but then Fred said it was different issues for Charles and Lewis so maybe not but then again both for DSQ in china for different reasons with one being for too much wear, but interesting that Fred wont say what it is

Lewis -

"Today's race was definitely far from what I was hoping to experience. I was confident before the race, after a good qualifying and with the car that seemed to be improving in performance. In the race instead the balance wasn't what I wanted and we lacked pace from the beginning. At the moment we don't have an explanation, we'll have to analyze the data and understand if there was some kind of problem'.".

Fred -

Hamilton also raised the suspicion that something was wrong with his SF-25 via radio at the end of the grand prix. And team principal Fred Vasseur spoke about unspecified problems on car number 44: 'Lewis had good pace until the last stint, where he suffered balance problems. He had a problem with the car, I won't say what the problem was'

IMHO it's possible both cars had plank wear issues and Ham also had another worse problem in the last stint that influenced his pace more.

Checking telemetry in the last few laps probably can help narrow down what the issue might have been (e.g. low top speed may be due to energy recovery, bad cornering might be due to floor damage of some kind, and so on).

[dialtone]

IMHO it's possible both cars had plank wear issues and Ham also had another worse problem in the last stint that influenced his pace more.

Checking telemetry in the last few laps probably can help narrow down what the issue might have been (e.g. low top speed may be due to energy recovery, bad cornering might be due to floor damage of some kind, and so on).

Nothing particularly shows up in the lap but it's a quick degradation so at least for LEC it does look like it's to save something in the car, almost every corner has something worse going on, either more LICO, worse speed through the corner, worse acceleration and so on. So yeah a car issue is certainly present.

Both cars had exceedingly bad T4 and T5, HAM didn't LICO that much.

I think there probably were 2 problems indeed, one was worse on HAM but only had 1 problem, and LEC had 2 issues he was nursing although less severe than HAM.

[Autobahn303]

IMHO it's possible both cars had plank wear issues and Ham also had another worse problem in the last stint that influenced his pace more.

Checking telemetry in the last few laps probably can help narrow down what the issue might have been (e.g. low top speed may be due to energy recovery, bad cornering might be due to floor damage of some kind, and so on).

Nothing particularly shows up in the lap but it's a quick degradation so at least for LEC it does look like it's to save something in the car, almost every corner has something worse going on, either more LICO, worse speed through the corner, worse acceleration and so on. So yeah a car issue is certainly present.

Both cars had exceedingly bad T4 and T5, HAM didn't LICO that much.

I think there probably were 2 problems indeed, one was worse on HAM but only had 1 problem, and LEC had 2 issues he was nursing although less severe than HAM.

[woocasz]

Also worth mentioning, great start by Charles + brilliant overtaking manoeuvre on Russell on lap 1,

[AR3-GP]

I hope its not fuel, or skid wear. The worst thing to hear now is DQ from not enough fuel sample or skid block wear!

All calculated, don't worry

Following on your comment (and Luscion/Dialtone) and the potential LICO explanation, I pointed this out in the car comparison thread yesterday(https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewt ... 8#p1290028). From the pictures at T12, Mclaren was the lowest, then Ferrari, then Merc/Red Bull the highest. I know the picture is just a "snapshot" of a complex vehicle dynamic, but I think it points to Ferrari having run very low this weekend.

If the LICO was for temperature management, then suggest they didn't have enough cooling ducts because it cost downforce. Ferrari seemed to have larger cooling exits than others. If for fuel reasons, then that's another issue.

[Seanspeed]

IMHO it's possible both cars had plank wear issues and Ham also had another worse problem in the last stint that influenced his pace more.

Checking telemetry in the last few laps probably can help narrow down what the issue might have been (e.g. low top speed may be due to energy recovery, bad cornering might be due to floor damage of some kind, and so on).

Nothing particularly shows up in the lap but it's a quick degradation so at least for LEC it does look like it's to save something in the car, almost every corner has something worse going on, either more LICO, worse speed through the corner, worse acceleration and so on. So yeah a car issue is certainly present.

Both cars had exceedingly bad T4 and T5, HAM didn't LICO that much.

I think there probably were 2 problems indeed, one was worse on HAM but only had 1 problem, and LEC had 2 issues he was nursing although less severe than HAM.

Leclerc was slower than Lewis on his last medium stint, all while having gained like 14 seconds on him before that. So whatever Leclerc was dealing with seems to have hit him much earlier than anything Lewis dealt with.

[deadhead]

LEC is such a good racing driver it’s really a privilege to have his services. Yes, he is getting a lot in return driving for Ferrari, but it’s definitely a mutual thing, one can even argue that Ferrari is getting the better deal on that one.

[Sergej]

I think it's quite worrying that Ferrari ran so low but failed to replicate Chinese sprint performance ?

[Autobahn303]

Also worth mentioning, great start by Charles + brilliant overtaking manoeuvre on Russell on lap 1,

Yeah, very nice move.