2025 Spanish Grand Prix - Barcelona-Catalunya May 30 - June 1

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2025 Spanish Grand Prix - Barcelona-Catalunya May 30 - June 1

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vorticism wrote:
ToffeeTyres wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:26
Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional
"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.
Stewards don’t need that kind evidence for any of their rulings, this isn’t a trial.

By your measure, they didn’t know Schumacher was trying to take out Villeneuve in ‘97 or that Vettel was angryat Hamilton in ‘17. Everyone with racing experience looking at the incident knows it was intentional.

Max cannot be both the GOAT and barely better than Stroll at the same time. Own it, he can take it.
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Wynters
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vorticism wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:52
ToffeeTyres wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:26
Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional
"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.
If Verstappen was ahead at the apex, why was he behind Russell until after the impact? Russell's onboard is extremely clear.

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Wynters wrote:If Verstappen was ahead at the apex, why was he behind Russell until after the impact? Russell's onboard is extremely clear.
And it’s besides the point anyway, if the game he was trying to play was to let Russell by just before the corner to try and retake position right after… that’s noob territory from a driver like Max, unacceptable for one of the greats.

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vorticism wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:52
ToffeeTyres wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:26
Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional
"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.
Verstappen backed out with undeniable intention of letting Russell through. This was not a racing situation where two guys were competing for the corner legitimately. The part of the rulebook you're referencing is not at all relevant.

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ToffeeTyres wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:26
vorticism wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 21:35
ToffeeTyres wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 21:21


Max rammed into a competitor through anger and retaliation and was penalised but should have been black flagged. You can’t do that it is dangerous and also sets a bad precedent where younger and all drivers can just ram other drivers and think they will only get a 10 second penalty things can end up bad where someone gets seriously injured or killed. If you can’t see Max did no wrong here you seriously need to either open your eyes or get them tested!
Max was ahead at the apex just like George was ahead at the apex three laps prior. Per the Stewards Guide the corner was his and George should have given space. George did not give space and yet you call this ramming (bumping tire carcasses together in glancing blow by the outside car not giving space to the inside car ahead at the apex, per '25 Stewards Guide). The stewards failed to uphold their own rules in not punishing George for the lap 64 contact involving a corner which was not his, with him being behind at the apex.
Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional
Yeah but the 2021 incident I mentioned was obviously the same, but you create elaborate justifications for why the driver with a decade long history of pit maneuvering drivers out of his way when he's frustrated didn't do it again. I'm not going to defend max today but it's not fair to enforce a double standard against him.

The "brake check" you brought up is also bs, he had to give the position back and hamilton rammed into him to try to get him penalized

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vorticism wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:52
ToffeeTyres wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:26
Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional
"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.
Max wasn’t doing that though he blatantly drove straight into Russell. Max gave up at that point and wanted to retaliate
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This is the usual reminder to many here that many people from Max Verstappen’s fan club / forums post here, including several admins from there.

So some of these posts are not surprising at all.

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dialtone wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:57
vorticism wrote:
ToffeeTyres wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:26
Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional
"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.
Stewards don’t need that kind evidence for any of their rulings, this isn’t a trial.

By your measure, they didn’t know Schumacher was trying to take out Villeneuve in ‘97 or that Vettel was angryat Hamilton in ‘17. Everyone with racing experience looking at the incident knows it was intentional.

Max cannot be both the GOAT and barely better than Stroll at the same time. Own it, he can take it.
Well said

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Seanspeed wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 23:02
vorticism wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:52
ToffeeTyres wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:26
Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional
"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.
Verstappen backed out with undeniable intention of letting Russell through. This was not a racing situation where two guys were competing for the corner legitimately. The part of the rulebook you're referencing is not at all relevant.
ToffeeTyres wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 23:09
vorticism wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:52
ToffeeTyres wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:26
Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional
"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.
Max wasn’t doing that though he blatantly drove straight into Russell. Max gave up at that point and wanted to retaliate
Wynters wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:57
vorticism wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:52
ToffeeTyres wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 22:26
Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional
"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.
If Verstappen was ahead at the apex, why was he behind Russell until after the impact? Russell's onboard is extremely clear.
Guys, guys. Look at the overhead footage. Ahead. At the apex. I'm not a steward, take it up with them and their Guidebook. While you are at it, ask them why they do not adhere to it.
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Re: 2025 Spanish Grand Prix - Barcelona-Catalunya May 30 - June 1

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vorticism wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 23:15
Guys, guys. Look at the overhead footage. Ahead. At the apex. I'm not a steward, take it up with them and their Guidebook. While you are at it, ask them why they do not adhere to it.
Did you look at the rest of the rule book or just quoting a single excuse you saw on X
to justify it?

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Hoffman900 wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 23:19
vorticism wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 23:15
Guys, guys. Look at the overhead footage. Ahead. At the apex. I'm not a steward, take it up with them and their Guidebook. While you are at it, ask them why they do not adhere to it.
Did you look at the rest of the rule book or just quoting a single excuse you saw on X
to justify it?
This!

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It's crazy how much Verstappen has a huuuuuge blind spot on what is done to him vs what he does to the others.

Charles gives him a slight bump, it drives him mad, he just goes beserk... he talked about this like it was the dirtiest move any driver has ever done.
Russell does kinda of a dive bomb on him(much tamer than what he has done to others), take a huge side swipe.

When he's being the agressor he's calm and almost logical about it, "i was ahead at the apex".

Wynters
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Re: 2025 Spanish Grand Prix - Barcelona-Catalunya May 30 - June 1

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vorticism wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 23:15
Guys, guys. Look at the overhead footage. Ahead. At the apex. I'm not a steward, take it up with them and their Guidebook. While you are at it, ask them why they do not adhere to it.
Unfortunately, the overhead footage does show Verstappen is behind until after the impact. It's important to note that being on the inside, while placing Verstappen closer to the corner, doesn't mean he's ahead. Bring ahead at the apex is dependent on front axle, and the overhead clearly shows Verstappen is behind.

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Penalty was 100% deserved, and Verstappen is lucky to get away with only 10s added.

I guess technically it should be a 10s stop-and-go, but with only few laps remaining that was not realistic. And in the context of the race I'm okay with this penalty. He's one point away from a race ban, and looked like a rookie hothead idiot for the whole world to see.

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In other news, I think Lawson was impressively clumsy. He needs to tidy up a lot.